Is Vichara thinking about the Truth?---No.!!

[Guest guest]

This is a delicate issue, quite paradoxical to outward intellect. And

it is depends essentially on the relationship between teacher and

disciple. The following is from Nitya Tripta's book ('Notes on

Spiritual Discourses of Shri Atmananda', 8th March 1958, note 29):

 

 

 

" Is 'vicara' thinking about the Truth? No. It is entirely different.

'Vicara' is a relentless enquiry into the truth of the Self and the

world, utilizing only higher reason and right discrimination. It is

not thinking at all. You come to 'know' the meaning and the goal of

vicara only on listening to the words of the Guru. But subsequently,

you take to that very same knowing, over and over again. That is no

thinking at all. This additional effort is necessary in order to

destroy samskaras. When the possessive identification with samskaras

no longer occurs, you may be said to have transcended them. You cannot

think about anything you do not know. Therefore thinking about the

Truth is not possible till you visualize it for the first time. Then

you understand that Truth can never be made the object of thought,

since it is in a different plane. Thus thinking about the Truth is

never possible. The expression only means knowing, over and over

again, the Truth already known."

 

 

 

There is knowing in deep sleep, but it is not a knowing of any object

that is separate from self. The experience of deep sleep is pure

knowing or pure light, unmixed with any object. The objects that

appeared in waking and in dreams are thus absorbed by deep sleep into

pure light, utterly unmixed with any darkness or obscurity. It's only

in the waking and dream states that darkness or obscurity gets mixed

up with light, through the seeming presence of objects.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Excuse my two cents,

 

Vichara is realizing the Truth, 24/7. You are the truth. The Self

is Truth, Satchidananda, pure awareness(Shiva). Therefore only

thoughts need be destroyed by the constant question "Who am I?" or

whatever phrase you need. Being the self involves nothing more than

stopping thoughts. Samadhi means absence of thoughts. Samadhi is

the truth, the Self, Satchidananda. A jivanmukta abides is unforced

Samadhi, 24/7.

 

Effort is needed to get to the effortless state. Vasanas(mental

predispositions)are to be put down. Non-dualsim is beyond concepts,

therefore it is a matter of experence. Once experenced, effort is

easy to re-experience by a little or no effort. Effort is kevala.

Sahaja is non-effort. Just abiding as Shiva all the time is Moksha.

 

Namaste

 

JJM

 

, "saktidasa" <saktidasa>

wrote:

>

> This is a delicate issue, quite paradoxical to outward intellect.

And

> it is depends essentially on the relationship between teacher and

> disciple. The following is from Nitya Tripta's book ('Notes on

> Spiritual Discourses of Shri Atmananda', 8th March 1958, note 29):

>

>

>

> " Is 'vicara' thinking about the Truth? No. It is entirely

different.

> 'Vicara' is a relentless enquiry into the truth of the Self and the

> world, utilizing only higher reason and right discrimination. It is

> not thinking at all. You come to 'know' the meaning and the goal of

> vicara only on listening to the words of the Guru. But subsequently,

> you take to that very same knowing, over and over again. That is no

> thinking at all. This additional effort is necessary in order to

> destroy samskaras. When the possessive identification with samskaras

> no longer occurs, you may be said to have transcended them. You

cannot

> think about anything you do not know. Therefore thinking about the

> Truth is not possible till you visualize it for the first time. Then

> you understand that Truth can never be made the object of thought,

> since it is in a different plane. Thus thinking about the Truth is

> never possible. The expression only means knowing, over and over

> again, the Truth already known."

>

>

>

> There is knowing in deep sleep, but it is not a knowing of any

object

> that is separate from self. The experience of deep sleep is pure

> knowing or pure light, unmixed with any object. The objects that

> appeared in waking and in dreams are thus absorbed by deep sleep

into

> pure light, utterly unmixed with any darkness or obscurity. It's

only

> in the waking and dream states that darkness or obscurity gets mixed

> up with light, through the seeming presence of objects.