Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Namaste, Words IMO, are ideas, and ideas are thoughts and thoughts are things, and things are Avidya or ignorance. There is always the danger in philosophy becoming an end in itself, instead of a means. I see it all the time, where people discuss, argue, use clever words and dialectics, (Now there's a clever word for you). However they seem to stay in the round of words in the world of words. Something like figuring the molecular structure of water in the swimming pool instead of just climbing out. The ego has infinite tricks and diversions to preserve itself, and in intellectuals it is in words and cleverness. Some of the non intellectual seekers do not have this disadvantage. The intellectual has the dependency, and search for esteem, reflective glory and pride and pradadkshina of one's own thinking. It never ceases to amaze me how many `intelligent' people are fundamentalists for example. Proving again that there is intelligence and then there is spiritual intelligence. Some surrender their egos not to the Self but to fraudulent and depraved gurus even. A true Guru is a Jivanmukta, who operates without the need for words or Avidya. So it always puzzled me that if one is so much into words and philosophy, why need more than the `Inner Guru'? If I talk about myself; I was not unintelligent and had the usual high I.Q. etc etc, but yet I followed a fraudulent guru for years. I followed sai baba yet read Ramana Maharshi and others. I can only think that this was for reasons that are more the psychological than spiritual. I of course am not alone in this and don't regard myself as a philosopher, I don't have the vocabulary for a start. People hide themselves in their knowledge/avidya and then wrap themselves in words. It is a form of spiritual materialism and escape/security for the ego. It seems they many know everything about say Advaita but cannot let go and need the security of a person or guru, false or not. In the end it is all bound up together. The reason they follow the false guru is the same as hiding in their words. It is about self Esteem not SELF esteem. It is still the ego thinking `I am better than the other fellow, I am called, I belong to the select group'. This doesn't apply to those who are on a Bhakti path and follow a Sadguru though. For they are surrendering their egos unconditionally in Love. I am really talking about people who are seemingly intelligent, versed in all the scriptures and various philosophies, yet follow a guru, whilst claiming to be an Advaitin. It really proves it is all above the impotent human mind………..ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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