RE: Is Vichara thinking about the Truth?---No.!!

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Excuse me too, I have written these words before

maybe I won't delete them this time

This is not an argument,

but inspired from the message.

If even the core is kept

it is a catch 22, a concept too.

Safety is found in a perfect description.

Although true, please tell me what does it turn into?

After arriving once

the way need not be described.

Still in a busy worldlet me just say I am happy to admit needing to recognise .

Awareness, if it is not 'there' : ),

be aware.

Alan

Jason James Morgan

[jasonjamesmorgan (AT) dlshq (DOT) org]18. desember 2004 20:39To:

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Re: Is Vichara thinking about the Truth?---No.!!Hello, Excuse my two

cents,Vichara is realizing the Truth, 24/7. You are the truth. The

Self is Truth, Satchidananda, pure awareness(Shiva). Therefore only

thoughts need be destroyed by the constant question "Who am I?" or

whatever phrase you need. Being the self involves nothing more than

stopping thoughts. Samadhi means absence of thoughts. Samadhi is

the truth, the Self, Satchidananda. A jivanmukta abides is unforced

Samadhi, 24/7.Effort is needed to get to the effortless state.

Vasanas(mental predispositions)are to be put down. Non-dualsim is

beyond concepts, therefore it is a matter of experence. Once

experenced, effort is easy to re-experience by a little or no effort.

Effort is kevala. Sahaja is non-effort. Just abiding as Shiva all

the time is Moksha.NamasteJJM,

"saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote:> > This is a delicate issue,

quite paradoxical to outward intellect. And> it is depends

essentially on the relationship between teacher and> disciple. The

following is from Nitya Tripta's book ('Notes on> Spiritual

Discourses of Shri Atmananda', 8th March 1958, note 29):> > > > " Is

'vicara' thinking about the Truth? No. It is entirely different.>

'Vicara' is a relentless enquiry into the truth of the Self and the>

world, utilizing only higher reason and right discrimination. It is>

not thinking at all. You come to 'know' the meaning and the goal of>

vicara only on listening to the words of the Guru. But subsequently,>

you take to that very same knowing, over and over again. That is no>

thinking at all. This additional effort is necessary in order to>

destroy samskaras. When the possessive identification with samskaras>

no longer occurs, you may be said to have transcended them. You

cannot> think about anything you do not know. Therefore thinking

about the> Truth is not possible till you visualize it for the first

time. Then> you understand that Truth can never be made the object of

thought,> since it is in a different plane. Thus thinking about the

Truth is> never possible. The expression only means knowing, over and

over> again, the Truth already known."> > > > There is knowing in

deep sleep, but it is not a knowing of any object> that is separate

from self. The experience of deep sleep is pure> knowing or pure

light, unmixed with any object. The objects that> appeared in waking

and in dreams are thus absorbed by deep sleep into> pure light,

utterly unmixed with any darkness or obscurity. It's only> in the

waking and dream states that darkness or obscurity gets mixed> up

with light, through the seeming presence of

objects./join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma