Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Effort is needed to get to the effortless state. JJM , "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote: > > Excuse me too, I have written these words before > maybe I won't delete them this time > This is not an argument, > but inspired from the message. > > If even the core is kept > it is a catch 22, a concept too. > > Safety is found in a perfect description. > Although true, please tell me what does it turn into? > > After arriving once > the way need not be described. > > Still in a busy world > let me just say I am happy to admit needing to recognise . > > Awareness, if it is not 'there' : ), > be aware. > > > > Alan > > > > Jason James Morgan [jasonjamesmorgan@d...] > 18. desember 2004 20:39 > > Re: Is Vichara thinking about the > Truth?---No.!! > > > > Hello, > > Excuse my two cents, > > Vichara is realizing the Truth, 24/7. You are the truth. The Self > is Truth, Satchidananda, pure awareness(Shiva). Therefore only > thoughts need be destroyed by the constant question "Who am I?" or > whatever phrase you need. Being the self involves nothing more than > stopping thoughts. Samadhi means absence of thoughts. Samadhi is > the truth, the Self, Satchidananda. A jivanmukta abides is unforced > Samadhi, 24/7. > > Effort is needed to get to the effortless state. Vasanas(mental > predispositions)are to be put down. Non-dualsim is beyond concepts, > therefore it is a matter of experence. Once experenced, effort is > easy to re-experience by a little or no effort. Effort is kevala. > Sahaja is non-effort. Just abiding as Shiva all the time is Moksha. > > Namaste > > JJM > > , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> > wrote: > > > > This is a delicate issue, quite paradoxical to outward intellect. > And > > it is depends essentially on the relationship between teacher and > > disciple. The following is from Nitya Tripta's book ('Notes on > > Spiritual Discourses of Shri Atmananda', 8th March 1958, note 29): > > > > > > > > " Is 'vicara' thinking about the Truth? No. It is entirely > different. > > 'Vicara' is a relentless enquiry into the truth of the Self and the > > world, utilizing only higher reason and right discrimination. It is > > not thinking at all. You come to 'know' the meaning and the goal of > > vicara only on listening to the words of the Guru. But subsequently, > > you take to that very same knowing, over and over again. That is no > > thinking at all. This additional effort is necessary in order to > > destroy samskaras. When the possessive identification with samskaras > > no longer occurs, you may be said to have transcended them. You > cannot > > think about anything you do not know. Therefore thinking about the > > Truth is not possible till you visualize it for the first time. Then > > you understand that Truth can never be made the object of thought, > > since it is in a different plane. Thus thinking about the Truth is > > never possible. The expression only means knowing, over and over > > again, the Truth already known." > > > > > > > > There is knowing in deep sleep, but it is not a knowing of any > object > > that is separate from self. The experience of deep sleep is pure > > knowing or pure light, unmixed with any object. The objects that > > appeared in waking and in dreams are thus absorbed by deep sleep > into > > pure light, utterly unmixed with any darkness or obscurity. It's > only > > in the waking and dream states that darkness or obscurity gets mixed > > up with light, through the seeming presence of objects. > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > -- -------- > -- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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