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, christiane cameron

<christianecameron@m...> wrote:

> Dear >

> I

> > Just because one uses a form of devotion doesn't mean that is

the way

> > of all. If one wishes to use pictures and mountains or even

bodily

> > forms for a point of concentration that is fine, but it is all

> > external.

>

> If you wish to regard the body as outside, when it is really also

a

> part of self, all right. But the process of worshipping the form

of

> Maharshi is certainly very much an inside process. It serves to

purify

> the mind, melt it in love and ready it for enquiry. Also Maharshi

has

> explained that his yoga is a synthesis of Bhakti and Jnana.

 

 

Namaste Chris,

 

Some points.

 

I didn't say prarabda can be changed, I just talked about

meditation. Prarabda can be overcome by Moksha but the body/mind

still has to carry out the prarabda.

 

I didn't know that Ramana said it was ok to kill other beings,???

unless in some form of self defence.?????????Do you have the quote?

(prarabda karma of the mind again).

 

When I said he tolerated, I meant just that he couldn't stop them

worshipping so why fight it? If that is their mental capacity. They

still are doing it right now!

 

There is no synthesis of jnana and bhakti in the enquiry 'Whom am

I?' in the commonly understood sense of devotion. Unless you mean

merging with the Sakti. Which is the ultimate goal of devotion.

 

Ramana said people use pictures of gurus and worship them for

concentration only. This is the same thing as hills or any other

object.

 

Yes you are right about nothing being outside but then in illusion

it appears this way, and as Sankara said --it is real whilst one is

in it-----we have to deal with it.

 

Again there are different levels of capacity as Ramana said when

talking of Ajatavada, which he indicated is the ultimate truth.

 

Again one has to understand that the body of a Mukta operates on

prarabda karma and so does the operating mind of such. The Self

doesn't individualise in a Mukta, otherwise it isn't the Self. A

mukta can only carry out the prarabda karma in action and that

includes the teachings, unless one is being taught by absolute

silence. For that is the Self.

 

To conclude; The body of the Mukta operates on prarabda, and would

behave exactly the same way if Moksha hadn't taken place. Seeming

errors, human misunderstanding etc etc. That is why the teaching of

Silence or Self is the Truth. For they do not belong to the prarabda

mind of the mukta's erstwhile body.

 

Ramana can err--------the Self cannot..............ONS........Tony.