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A very good post Tony...

 

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One , "saktidasa"

<saktidasa> wrote:

>

> , christiane cameron

> <christianecameron@m...> wrote:

> > you wrote praying cannot change karma, only meditation is really

> > effective (in changing karmas)

>

> Namaste Chris,

>

> There is no point in this ball game.

>

> I am not trying to establish a position or justify my behaviour. So

> let me say this again IMO.

> Whether a person realises moksha or not, the prarabda karma would

> still play out in their life in exactly the same way. The Mukta

> doesn't talk as the Self for the Self cannot individualise and still

> be the Self. That is why Ramana talked of teaching by 'Silence'/Self.

>

> So Muktas can be 'fallible' as they still talk as the body/mind and

> it is subject to prarabda. Remember the body-mind is there as long

> as the body.

>

> Again if you check Ramana talking of pictures, in this case it was

> one of a Sai Baba, more than likely Shirdi Baba. He said that it was

> a point of concentration and useful in that way. The same would

> apply to mountains or any other form. I know his attitude from

> simply reading what he said about things.

>

> With regard to getting emotional and devotional about a picture. Is

> that not concentration? Providing it leads one in the way of Moksha.

> However Ramana's teaching was 'Who am I?' simple as that. All the

> rest was just steps on the way to that enquiry.

>

> A Mukta-body cannot talk as the Self---------think about it, the

> Self is Universal not particular, that is the Ego.

>

> In some way when a person becomes realised and loses the ego the

> residual mind is energised by the Universal but no new karma or mind

> is added. I believe this is the mistake people make in worshipping

> Gurus as God incarnate. This is a step on the way but really only as

> a Sadhana, it has to be let go of when one goes within. The Guru

> pushes from outside but it is the Inner Consciousness that pulls us

> in-------so to speak-------'Who am I?'. We are as Maharaj would say

> Praneaswara or Sakti. So the step is to merge with the Sakti which

> results in realisation of Nirguna at the same time. This can be done

> with bhakti-----yes but only bhakti that has lost the ego.

> The other steps are part of purification/sadhana, but the real work

> is 'Who am I?'. Everything else is only a step.

>

> Ramana is a body/mind and it can err. The Self is something else

> otherwise why bother doing the prarabda. I have no doubt that a

> Sadhaka such as Ramana would have a purified mind. However there is

> Prarabda!!!!!!!!!Again that is why -------'The teaching of Silence'.

> I'm sorry if this upsets you Chris or anybody else, but it is my

> prarabda to write it and yours to read it.......Love and ONS...Tony.