Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Dear Tony, If we feel that Realization is outside of us, we will see impediments everywhere. Have you read that famous poem, "The Mind of Absolute Trust" by Seng-Ts'an. It is one of the classics of the East. Here are a few lines. The great way isn't difficult for those who are unattached to their preferences. Let go of longing and aversion, and everything will be perfectly clear. When you cling to a hairbreadth of distinction, heaven and earth are set apart. Not grasping the deeper meaning, you just trouble your minds serenity. As vast as infinite space, it is perfect and lacks nothing. But because you select and reject, you can't perceive its true nature. Asserting that the world is real, you are blind to its deeper reality; denying that the world is real, you are blind to the selflessness of all things. The more you think about these matters, the farther you are from the truth. Step aside from all thinking, and there is nowhere you can't go. Love to all, Harsha saktidasa wrote: > > Namaste, > > Bliss is the final impediment to realisation. So in this way Bhakti > can be and attachment. An attachment so powerful to the 'Love > Energy', that there is a great impediment to Moksha. > In my own experience I notice energies moving and if I allowed > myself I could enjoy them. However I am trying to ignore them as > just steps passing on the way. For Moksha in its final state is > beyond energy love or anything at > all...........Nirguna.......ONS...Tony. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 , Harsha wrote: > Dear Tony, > > If we feel that Realization is outside of us, we will see impediments > everywhere. Have you read that famous poem, "The Mind of Absolute Trust" > by Seng-Ts'an. It is one of the classics of the East. Here are a few lines. > > The great way isn't difficult for those who are unattached to their > preferences. > > Let go of longing and aversion, and everything will be perfectly clear. > > When you cling to a hairbreadth of distinction, heaven and earth are set > apart. Namaste Harsha, This is what I agree with and why I like the 'Who am I?' enquiry for it is not attached to form like Bhakti, or books or scriptures like some Advaitin paths. It makes no distinction and doesn't ponder on things--just gets to the point. No attachment or Aversion no reality or unreality, or whatever. Just realise that one is Sakti and one will realise Nirguna and on dropping the body the entire construct of the mind or universe disappears as never having ever happened..According to the Sages....That is why I find it somewhat incongrous that devotees of Ramana don't follow his most important teaching. Many turn him into a God, call him Bhagavan, and worship him. This can be done to many Gurus, why pick an Advaitin whose ultimate teaching was Self Enquiry? I have no problem with this for Ramana himself tolerated this behaviour as step on the path. I find the contradictions intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin path and modify it?.....ONS..........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 While asked about the paths to realisation Bhagavan Ramana replied, "inquire into your real naturewith the question, "Who am I?" or surrender to me and I will strike down your ego." What is surrendering to Him but BHAKTI ? - saktidasa Sunday, January 09, 2005 11:56 PM Re: Bhakti can be the final impediment. , Harsha wrote:> Dear Tony,> > If we feel that Realization is outside of us, we will see impediments > everywhere. Have you read that famous poem, "The Mind of Absolute Trust" > by Seng-Ts'an. It is one of the classics of the East. Here are a few lines.> > The great way isn't difficult for those who are unattached to their > preferences.> > Let go of longing and aversion, and everything will be perfectly clear.> > When you cling to a hairbreadth of distinction, heaven and earth are set > apart.Namaste Harsha,This is what I agree with and why I like the 'Who am I?' enquiry for it is not attached to form like Bhakti, or books or scriptures like some Advaitin paths. It makes no distinction and doesn't ponder on things--just gets to the point. No attachment or Aversion no reality or unreality, or whatever.Just realise that one is Sakti and one will realise Nirguna and on dropping the body the entire construct of the mind or universe disappears as never having ever happened..According to the Sages....That is why I find it somewhat incongrous that devotees of Ramana don't follow his most important teaching. Many turn him into a God, call him Bhagavan, and worship him. This can be done to many Gurus, why pick an Advaitin whose ultimate teaching was Self Enquiry? I have no problem with this for Ramana himself tolerated this behaviour as step on the path. I find the contradictions intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin path and modify it?.....ONS..........Tony./join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release 25/01/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 , "Manohar Mohan Narayan" <mmnarayan49> wrote: > While asked about the paths to realisation Bhagavan Ramana replied, "inquire into your real naturewith the question, "Who am I?" or surrender to me and I will strike down your ego." What is surrendering to Him but BHAKTI ? Namaste, Yes Bhakti is surrendering the ego completely, the rest is emotion and aspiring bhakti..........ONS...Tony, - > saktidasa > > Sunday, January 09, 2005 11:56 PM > Re: Bhakti can be the final impediment. > > > > , Harsha wrote: > > Dear Tony, > > > > If we feel that Realization is outside of us, we will see > impediments > > everywhere. Have you read that famous poem, "The Mind of Absolute > Trust" > > by Seng-Ts'an. It is one of the classics of the East. Here are a > few lines. > > > > The great way isn't difficult for those who are unattached to > their > > preferences. > > > > Let go of longing and aversion, and everything will be perfectly > clear. > > > > When you cling to a hairbreadth of distinction, heaven and earth > are set > > apart. > > Namaste Harsha, > > This is what I agree with and why I like the 'Who am I?' enquiry for > it is not attached to form like Bhakti, or books or scriptures like > some Advaitin paths. It makes no distinction and doesn't ponder on > things--just gets to the point. No attachment or Aversion no reality > or unreality, or whatever. > Just realise that one is Sakti and one will realise Nirguna and on > dropping the body the entire construct of the mind or universe > disappears as never having ever happened..According to the > Sages....That is why I find it somewhat incongrous that devotees of > Ramana don't follow his most important teaching. Many turn him into > a God, call him Bhagavan, and worship him. This can be done to many > Gurus, why pick an Advaitin whose ultimate teaching was Self > Enquiry? I have no problem with this for Ramana himself tolerated > this behaviour as step on the path. I find the contradictions > intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin path and > modify it?.....ONS..........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I find the contradictions > intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin path and > modify it?.....ONS..........Tony. I used to have similar questions, and my teacher would just look at meand they would disappear : ) Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 , "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote: > > I find the contradictions > > intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin path > and > > modify it?.....ONS..........Tony. > I used to have similar questions, and my teacher would just look at me > and they would disappear : ) > > > Alan Namaste, But then doesn't it all disappear? The question still remains, and my post was really rhetorical. I see even on advaita sites that people won't let go of this type of bhakti. It seems to be giving the envelope of surrender but holding on to the corner. Some people have an attachment to materiality, subtle or no and cannot let go. Bhakti in the common sense if all external and experiencing. True Bhakti is total surrender of the ego. It is a matter of capacity I suppose, some people really believe that Ramana is still around and helping them, when that was only a body. If he was around that would negate any idea that he was a Mukta........Your teacher just showed you that speculation is not what he was into, but then it wasn't on a discussion group....It all harks back to Maharaj saying that only one person in Mumbai can understand non dualisml even intellectually....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > > , "Al Larus" <erilarend> > wrote: > > > > I find the contradictions > > > intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin > path > > and > > > modify it?.....ONS..........Tony. > > I used to have similar questions, and my teacher would just look > at me > > and they would disappear : ) > > > > > > Alan > > Namaste, > > But then doesn't it all disappear? The question still remains, and > my post was really rhetorical. I see even on advaita sites that > people won't let go of this type of bhakti. It seems to be giving > the envelope of surrender but holding on to the corner. Some people > have an attachment to materiality, subtle or no and cannot let go. > Bhakti in the common sense if all external and experiencing. True > Bhakti is total surrender of the ego. > It is a matter of capacity I suppose, some people really believe > that Ramana is still around and helping them, when that was only a > body. If he was around that would negate any idea that he was a > Mukta........Your teacher just showed you that speculation is not > what he was into, but then it wasn't on a discussion > group....It all harks back to Maharaj saying that only one person in > Mumbai can understand non dualisml even intellectually....ONS...Tony. Do you live in Mumbai, Tony? 'Cause I think you're it! You win the carrot for understanding nondualism intellectually! (in good fun) Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 kheyalove wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > But then doesn't it all disappear? The question still remains, and > > my post was really rhetorical. I see even on advaita sites that > > people won't let go of this type of bhakti. It seems to be giving > > the envelope of surrender but holding on to the corner. Some > people > > have an attachment to materiality, subtle or no and cannot let go. > > Bhakti in the common sense if all external and experiencing. True > > Bhakti is total surrender of the ego. > > It is a matter of capacity I suppose, some people really believe > > that Ramana is still around and helping them, when that was only a > > body. If he was around that would negate any idea that he was a > > Mukta........Your teacher just showed you that speculation is not > > what he was into, but then it wasn't on a discussion > > group....It all harks back to Maharaj saying that only one person > in > > Mumbai can understand non dualisml even > intellectually....ONS...Tony. > > > Do you live in Mumbai, Tony? 'Cause I think you're it! You win the > carrot for understanding nondualism intellectually! > > (in good fun) > > Kheyala > ********************************* Yes, for repeating the words of Maharaj more than anyone we know...... that only one person somewhere in Mumbai could understand him (probably his barber), Tony is hereby awarded "The Maharaj Mumbai Life Time Achievement Award" . Be satisfied old friend. Your dreams have come true! :-). Let the music start and the celebrations begin! Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Harsha heeft op vrijdag 28 januari 2005 om 13:52 het volgende geschreven: > kheyalove wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > But then doesn't it all disappear? The question still remains, and > > > my post was really rhetorical. I see even on advaita sites that > > > people won't let go of this type of bhakti. It seems to be giving > > > the envelope of surrender but holding on to the corner. Some > > people > > > have an attachment to materiality, subtle or no and cannot let go. > > > Bhakti in the common sense if all external and experiencing. True > > > Bhakti is total surrender of the ego. > > > It is a matter of capacity I suppose, some people really believe > > > that Ramana is still around and helping them, when that was only a > > > body. If he was around that would negate any idea that he was a > > > Mukta........Your teacher just showed you that speculation is not > > > what he was into, but then it wasn't on a discussion > > > group....It all harks back to Maharaj saying that only one person > > in > > > Mumbai can understand non dualisml even > > intellectually....ONS...Tony. > > > > > > Do you live in Mumbai, Tony? 'Cause I think you're it! You win the > > carrot for understanding nondualism intellectually! > > > > (in good fun) > > > > Kheyala > > > ********************************* > Yes, for repeating the words of Maharaj more than anyone we know...... > that only one person somewhere in Mumbai could understand him (probably > his barber), Tony is hereby awarded "The Maharaj Mumbai Life Time > Achievement Award" . > > Be satisfied old friend. Your dreams have come true! :-). Let the music > start and the celebrations begin! > > Love to all > Harsha giggles all around > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote: > > > > , "Al Larus" <erilarend> > > wrote: > > > > > > I find the contradictions > > > > intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin > > path > > > and > > > > modify it?.....ONS..........Tony. > > > I used to have similar questions, and my teacher would just > look > > at me > > > and they would disappear : ) > > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > Namaste, > > > > But then doesn't it all disappear? The question still remains, and > > my post was really rhetorical. I see even on advaita sites that > > people won't let go of this type of bhakti. It seems to be giving > > the envelope of surrender but holding on to the corner. Some > people > > have an attachment to materiality, subtle or no and cannot let go. > > Bhakti in the common sense if all external and experiencing. True > > Bhakti is total surrender of the ego. > > It is a matter of capacity I suppose, some people really believe > > that Ramana is still around and helping them, when that was only a > > body. If he was around that would negate any idea that he was a > > Mukta........Your teacher just showed you that speculation is not > > what he was into, but then it wasn't on a discussion > > group....It all harks back to Maharaj saying that only one person > in > > Mumbai can understand non dualisml even > intellectually....ONS...Tony. > > > Do you live in Mumbai, Tony? 'Cause I think you're it! You win the > carrot for understanding nondualism intellectually! > > (in good fun) > > Kheyala Namaste Kheyala, No I don't live in Mumbai although I did spend some time in an Indian Hotel at the beach. I'm not sure what Maharaj means exactly, so perhaps I don't understand. He says intellectual so I suppose that has something to do with the vijnanamayakosa. If this kosa is purified it reflects the knowledge of the Self, as a Mukta does. So perhaps Maharaj is talking of a stage that is prior to Mukti but is perhaps Moksha....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Dear Seer Alan Larus, You sent me the Holy REd Lotus. I have used it as a cover page for the Surya Kamalam Series. Again, I used your sunrise in Norway as the cover page for The Eproverbiallinguist. I thank you and Harsha and satsangh and all of you with these two photos: Aum inscribed by Lord Shiva on the Holy Omkar Parvatham in the Himalayas. The scriptures say that there are many such places but we know of only one such Holy Letter in the world. The second one is Lord Shiva with the Moon - I will send it later. Have a look at it in black and white and purify yourself!!! Thank you very much for everything!!! Yours Sincerely, Chilukuri Bhuvaneswar > > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 Al Larus wrote : > > I find the contradictions > > intersting, mainly why do Bhaktas choose such an Advaitin path > and > > modify it?.....ONS..........Tony. > I used to have similar questions, and my teacher would just look at me > and they would disappear : ) > > > Alan > > > Attachment: 114932445EsWVxF_phAumparvat.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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