Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Dear Dora and Friends: The distinction between meditation and Inquiry is subtle and in one way central to Bhagavan’s teaching. Sri Ramana also said that meditation presupposes the retention of the mind. In order to practice a mantra, visualization, pranayama etc., one requires the use of the mind. With inquiry, the mind is introverted towards the source, the awareness from which it emanates. Recognizing its essential nature as Awareness, the mind sees through its separate identity as having no basis other than the Awareness that is Sat-Chit-Ananda. In inquiry, one starts with the mind but does not end up with it. Bhagavan also said that other methods indirectly lead us there as well. In any spiritual practice that is taken to the limit with the right attitude, mind drops, and Reality Reveals It Self as It Self. I don’t know the languages of South India such as Tamil and Malayam, but in Hindi, the term “Vichara” suggests a quiet flow of reflection or contemplation. So Atma-Vichara then means to quietly reflect on the nature of the Awareness. Atma Vichara unlike other methods of meditation is more subtle because for the Inquirer there is no object of meditation and, in fact, nothing to hold on to. That is also the essential gist of the more explicit Advaitic method of Neti, Neti, Neti. Love to all Harsha 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">swathi dora [doraksp (AT) (DOT) co.in] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:17 AM ramana Cc: satsang [ - Ramana Guru] Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi 12.0pt"> Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi 12.0pt"> What is the differance between inquiry and meditation ? 12.0pt"> Inquiry consists in retaining the mind in the self. Meditation consists in thinking that one's self is Brahman, Existance-Conciousness-Bliss. 12.0pt"> What is liberation ? 12.0pt"> Inquiring into the nature of one's self that is in bondage, and realizing one's truenature is liberation. 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dora "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 "To start at the beginning, meditation in Sanskrit is the word Dyana. Dyana is the absence of all thought and the intelligent clarity of open awareness. There is no one doing anything at all." http://www.leela.org/library/interviews/visionen04p1.html "The question, Who am I? in its power and simplicity, throws the mind back to the root of personal identification. It throws the mind back before the basic assumption, “I am somebody.” Rather than automatically accepting that assumption to be the truth, you can investigate deeper. When this very basic sense of individual self is questioned, the mind is thrown back to the I. This is called Self-inquiry." http://www.leela.org/library/interviews/Pathways04.html The articles above is on Meditation and Self-Inquiry. Eli Jaxon-Bear is a student of Papaji, who was a student of Ramana. When I had a spontaneous awakening to Unconditional Love, who I truly am, my mind searched to figure out what the hell happened to 'me'. Luckily I found Eli, who found Papaji, who found Ramana, who is Here, right now. ----Original Message Follows---- "Harsha" RamanaMaharshi <>,"'ramana'" <ramanamaharshi> CC: <advaitin> [RamanaMaharshi] RE: Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:46:18 -0500 Dear Dora and Friends: The distinction between meditation and Inquiry is subtle and in one way central to Bhagavan's teaching. Sri Ramana also said that meditation presupposes the retention of the mind. In order to practice a mantra, visualization, pranayama etc., one requires the use of the mind. With inquiry, the mind is introverted towards the source, the awareness from which it emanates. Recognizing its essential nature as Awareness, the mind sees through its separate identity as having no basis other than the Awareness that is Sat-Chit-Ananda. In inquiry, one starts with the mind but does not end up with it. Bhagavan also said that other methods indirectly lead us there as well. In any spiritual practice that is taken to the limit with the right attitude, mind drops, and Reality Reveals It Self as It Self. I don't know the languages of South India such as Tamil and Malayam, but in Hindi, the term "Vichara" suggests a quiet flow of reflection or contemplation. So Atma-Vichara then means to quietly reflect on the nature of the Awareness. Atma Vichara unlike other methods of meditation is more subtle because for the Inquirer there is no object of meditation and, in fact, nothing to hold on to. That is also the essential gist of the more explicit Advaitic method of Neti, Neti, Neti. Love to all Harsha _____ swathi dora [doraksp] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:17 AM ramana Cc: satsang Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi What is the differance between inquiry and meditation ? Inquiry consists in retaining the mind in the self. Meditation consists in thinking that one's self is Brahman, Existance-Conciousness-Bliss. What is liberation ? Inquiring into the nature of one's self that is in bondage, and realizing one's truenature is liberation. Dora "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma "Surrendering all the concepts of love is, in fact, surrendering to love. Surrendering all demands for love is surrendering to love. Surrendering all hopes is surrendering to love." ~ Gangaji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Dear Dora and Friends: The distinction between meditation and Inquiry is subtle and in one way central to Bhagavan’s teaching. Sri Ramana also said that meditation presupposes the retention of the mind. In order to practice a mantra, visualization, pranayama etc., one requires the use of the mind. With inquiry, the mind is introverted towards the source, the awareness from which it emanates. Recognizing its essential nature as Awareness, the mind sees through its separate identity as having no basis other than the Awareness that is Sat-Chit-Ananda. In inquiry, one starts with the mind but does not end up with it. Bhagavan also said that other methods indirectly lead us there as well. In any spiritual practice that is taken to the limit with the right attitude, mind drops, and Reality Reveals It Self as It Self. I don’t know the languages of South India such as Tamil and Malayam, but in Hindi, the term “Vichara” suggests a quiet flow of reflection or contemplation. So Atma-Vichara then means to quietly reflect on the nature of the Awareness. Atma Vichara unlike other methods of meditation is more subtle because for the Inquirer there is no object of meditation and, in fact, nothing to hold on to. That is also the essential gist of the more explicit Advaitic method of Neti, Neti, Neti. Love to all Harsha 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">swathi dora [doraksp (AT) (DOT) co.in] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:17 AM ramana Cc: satsang [ - Ramana Guru] Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi 12.0pt"> Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi 12.0pt"> What is the differance between inquiry and meditation ? 12.0pt"> Inquiry consists in retaining the mind in the self. Meditation consists in thinking that one's self is Brahman, Existance-Conciousness-Bliss. 12.0pt"> What is liberation ? 12.0pt"> Inquiring into the nature of one's self that is in bondage, and realizing one's truenature is liberation. 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dora "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Michelle, Thank you for your post. However, just a small pointer, the founder of this group has a somewhat eccentric view on advertising jnanis, in particular those who advertise their 'transmission' at exorbitant fees (in this instance I believe the Three Year program costs $2700 per year along with other prerequisites in the form of prior courses.) Please refrain from posting links to such commercial sites. I am sure the 'transmission' is wonderful but it really has no place here on this list. Bhagavan's simple teaching is available, here and now, to anyone, without the need for such nonsense. Kind regards, Miles --------- RamanaMaharshi, "Michelle O'Neill" <lifeisrosey@h...> wrote: > "To start at the beginning, meditation in Sanskrit is the word Dyana. Dyana > is the absence of all thought and the intelligent clarity of open awareness. > There is no one doing anything at all." > > http://www.leela.org/library/interviews/visionen04p1.html > > "The question, Who am I? in its power and simplicity, throws the mind back > to the root of personal identification. It throws the mind back before the > basic assumption, "I am somebody." Rather than automatically accepting that > assumption to be the truth, you can investigate deeper. When this very basic > sense of individual self is questioned, the mind is thrown back to the I. > This is called Self-inquiry." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 absolutely true...sorry, i thought the lineage of Ramana would be welcomed.....my mistake.....one can read the articles for free and i understand English better than any other language so those articles resonate with me as does the english translations of Ramana's writings!....i don't know what jnanis even means......but i understand the rules now...thank you... "Surrendering all the concepts of love is, in fact, surrendering to love. Surrendering all demands for love is surrendering to love. Surrendering all hopes is surrendering to love." ~ Gangaji ----Original Message Follows---- nanyar RamanaMaharshi RamanaMaharshi Subject: [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:10:12 -0000 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Michelle, Thank you for your post. However, just a small pointer, the founder of this group has a somewhat eccentric view on advertising jnanis, in particular those who advertise their 'transmission' at exorbitant fees (in this instance I believe the Three Year program costs $2700 per year along with other prerequisites in the form of prior courses.) Please refrain from posting links to such commercial sites. I am sure the 'transmission' is wonderful but it really has no place here on this list. Bhagavan's simple teaching is available, here and now, to anyone, without the need for such nonsense. Kind regards, Miles --------- --- In RamanaMaharshi, "Michelle O'Neill" <lifeisrosey@h...> wrote: > "To start at the beginning, meditation in Sanskrit is the word Dyana. Dyana > is the absence of all thought and the intelligent clarity of open awareness. > There is no one doing anything at all." > > http://www.leela.org/library/interviews/visionen04p1.html > > "The question, Who am I? in its power and simplicity, throws the mind back > to the root of personal identification. It throws the mind back before the > basic assumption, "I am somebody." Rather than automatically accepting that > assumption to be the truth, you can investigate deeper. When this very basic > sense of individual self is questioned, the mind is thrown back to the I. > This is called Self-inquiry." ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click./hjtSRD/3MnJAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --~-> Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Hello All - Devotees of Bhagwan would do well to emulate the spirit of Muruganar. All of us know that Muruganar was a colosal spiritual giant - but never once exhibited. He was always a humble devotee of Bhagwan. I cannot but concur with the contents of the mail below. It has really become fashionable to aspire for quick nirvana. Bhagwan was an exception and that is why he is Bhagwan to us. It is difficult to find instances of Bhagwan like realization even in the vast scriptural stories in India. Now we have people who sit for a month or two in meditation and start proclaiming to the world about rubbish experiences. There is a sidhha saying - Kandavar Vindathillai, Vindavar Kandathillai - meaning 'Those who have, dont speak and those who speak, have not...'. It is despicable to note such crass commercialiazation as mentioned below. It is everywhere. Only diligent application of Bhagwan's teaching would propel us forward. And in our due diligence - let us not forget to be humble and keep quiet. Thanks and Regards to all - Strinving to think of Bhagwan and Bhagwan's teachings... --- nanyar wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > Dear Michelle, > > Thank you for your post. > > However, just a small pointer, the founder of this > group has a somewhat eccentric view on > advertising jnanis, in particular those who > advertise their 'transmission' at exorbitant fees > (in this instance I believe the Three Year program > costs $2700 per year along with other > prerequisites in the form of prior courses.) > Please refrain from posting links to such > commercial sites. > > I am sure the 'transmission' is wonderful but it > really has no place > here on this list. > > Bhagavan's simple teaching is available, here and > now, to anyone, > without the need for > such nonsense. > > Kind regards, > Miles > --------- > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Michelle > O'Neill" > <lifeisrosey@h...> wrote: > > "To start at the beginning, meditation in Sanskrit > is the word > Dyana. Dyana > > is the absence of all thought and the intelligent > clarity of open > awareness. > > There is no one doing anything at all." > > > > > http://www.leela.org/library/interviews/visionen04p1.html > > > > "The question, Who am I? in its power and > simplicity, throws the > mind back > > to the root of personal identification. It throws > the mind back > before the > > basic assumption, "I am somebody." Rather than > automatically accepting that > > assumption to be the truth, you can investigate > deeper. When this > very basic > > sense of individual self is questioned, the mind > is thrown back to > the I. > > This is called Self-inquiry." > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own > computers. > At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! > http://us.click./hjtSRD/3MnJAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > --~-> > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: > RamanaMaharshi- > Un: > RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Dear Michelle, it's ok - thank you. There are nowadays many teachers who create a lineage to Ramana. In reality there can't be something like a "lineage". Who ever claims such - must be a charlatan. There are devotees of Ramana - simply devotees - this might be sufficient. Ramana is made an advertisement for those so called jnanis. The teaching from those do sound nice - but if you look at the meaning and at the heart and at the way of teaching and at the whole ... there are many question-marks. One has to look very closely. This is why we here are not so good to speak on them. At times newcomers can't see this fact in the beginning. When I came to Ramana I also read about some of the advertising jnanis on occasion, though it felt strange somewhat, but I could not have said why at that time. The words seem at times even to be the same, but the heart is not the same. There is much confusion coming such way. Many sincere seekers may be tracked aside without becoming even aware of it. This is the really sad thing with it as it is irresponsible - the business with jnana and with Ramana!! At times one could cry about. yours in Sri Ramana and enjoy the pure and simple teaching of Bhagavan ... this is best and it is complete. Gabriele - Michelle O'Neill RamanaMaharshi Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:23 PM RE: [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Talks with Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi absolutely true...sorry, i thought the lineage of Ramana would be welcomed.....my mistake.....one can read the articles for free and i understand English better than any other language so those articles resonate with me as does the english translations of Ramana's writings!....i don't know what jnanis even means......but i understand the rules now...thank you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Hi Michelle, You will find this to be a very pure list with devotees who are spiritually mature and in tune with Sri Ramana's teachings. The question of lineage does not arise with Bhagavan. Sri Ramana is the living Guru. Love to all Harsha Michelle O'Neill wrote: > absolutely true...sorry, i thought the lineage of Ramana would be > welcomed.....my mistake.....one can read the articles for free and i > understand English better than any other language so those articles > resonate > with me as does the english translations of Ramana's writings!....i don't > know what jnanis even means......but i understand the rules now...thank > you... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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