Ramana & SLEEP

[Guest guest]

I agree that "dreamless sleep" is the BEST temporary relief for the

suffering caused by MY ego, but it's hard for me to understand all

the references that Ramana has made to SLEEP and HOW to achieve the

condition of which he speaks, which, of course, we are already

supposed to be in, but do not realize it. Do ANY OF YOU have any

further insights about these ideas that you can relay to the rest of

us?:

 

For example:

 

"There was happiness in sleep, but misery in wakefulness. There was

no "I"-thought in sleep, but there is now while awake. The state of

happiness and of no "I"-thought in sleep exists without effort. The

aim should be to bring about that state even now. That requires

effort."

 

or

 

"On waking up in the morning, you will say "I slept well and

happily". What happened in sleep is your real nature. Get the state

of sleep even now."

 

or

 

"Did you not exist in sleep? Were you aware of any form then? Were

you with form in your sleep? You existed all the same. The "I" which

was in sleep is also now present. You were not the body according to

your sleep experience. You are the same now - that is, without the

body. Being without the body, you were happy in sleep. You are the

same now. That which is enduring must alone be your real nature."

 

and then a small difference:

 

"There are three states only: waking, dream, and sleep. "Turiya"

is...what underlies these three. It is the only Truth, your very

Being."

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Is ANYBODY out there able to be "aware" during dreamless sleep, and

sort of confirm these theories? In MY unaware state, I might argue

with Ramana that I'm not aware of being in deep sleep because the

body is the only thing that exists, and it's mechanically "shut

down" to a certain extent during sleep, AND there IS no such thing

as "Turiya" because humans are ONLY meat bodies and HAVE

no "spiritual component.

 

Do YOU have any insights on this?

 

BH