To Barney

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No amount of asking others will solve the problems or resolve the

issues of the person asking. Similarly no amount of telling by

anyone will get it across to the person being told. With that clear

in our own minds, we can try to engage in a dialogue and keep our own

minds totally open. So, what does it mean to keep th emind totally

open to me? It means to be observant of myself, and this being

observant takes a while to develop. However, once the observation of

one's own mind acquires a certain level of maturity, then one can see

when one's own attitude blocks one from seeing what exists plain and

simple.

Whether one can quote someone or the other and what others say or do

on this list or anywhere else is beside the point to the opening of

oneself. In the process of observing oneself, if one were to engage

in it with some openness, one notices that soon, "mechanical

thoughts" pop in quite suddenly, and one begins to realise their

mechanicl nature, and how they are really not part of who one is. It

is by this constant elimination of who one is not that one can also

arrive finally at who one is.

Your questions on one level might irritate some, on another level

after some observation of your own working you yourself might notice

what exists below those thoughts.

Perseverance, however, not arbitrary perseverance, but well-direted

perseverance is not a very long path. But to realise it one has to

persevere.

Vrunda

wrote:

Message: 4 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:50:14 -0000

"barneyhazelwood" Re: Life is suffering / World and its

sufferingsAll this talk about "sleep" seems like a "koan" to me, in

that I can never rationally understand it (please refer to the

Maharshi response below under the dotted line). So, if I can figure

out a way to stay in a coma for the rest of my life, would that do?

(I'm sure some of you would be happy about that ;>)) I notice in deep

sleep, that there IS no suffering, because there is no "awareness"! It

doesn't make sense to continue "that state" while awake, unless I'm

constantly on heroin or something like it. Am I supposed to logically

try to figure this out, until my brain explodes and I can't think

about it anymore? Are you supposed to be a zombie or walk around in a

trance,

looking within rather than being aware of the happenings of the

outside world AND your internal responses to them?? Is this

realization practical for a worldly, active, and engaged life?I

appreciate that you all can quote Ramana, but do YOU constantly

continue in that state, and realize it? If SO, WHAT then, allowed you

to realize? Any

HINTS?BH>

M.: You were not aware of the world and its sufferings in your sleep ;

you are conscious of them in your wakeful state. Continue in that

state in which you were not afflicted by these. That is to say, when

you are not aware of the world, its sufferings do not affect you.

When you remain as the Self, as in sleep, the world and its

sufferings will not affect you. Therefore look within. See the Self !

There will be an end of the world and its

miseries.__________/join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri

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