You should plunge into Self-Enquiry

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--- gabriele ebert <g.ebert wrote:

 

> There is the following talks between V. Ganesan and

> Muruganar:

>

>

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>

> Once I [i.e. Sri Ganesan] told him that it was

> difficult for me to follow

> the vichara marga and hence it was better that I

> take to other simpler

> methods, grow in maturity and then try the Enquiry

> method.

>

> He [sri Muruanar] was quick in his response: "That

> is all escapism.

> Having come to Bhagavan and knowing His teaching you

> should

> plunge into Self-Enquiry. One who has been drawn to

> Bhagavan

> is already on the direct path. When Bhagavan

> recommends other

> methods, they are meant only for those questioners,

> not for you.

> Bhagavan's path is the only path meant for you.

> Having come

> to Him, why wander about?"

>

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> from V. Ganesan: Moments Remembered, p. 1

 

You are right. Sometimes when your mind is really

turbulent one can repeat the phrase "arunachala siva"

too.I think the purpose of any useful spiritual

practice is to stop paying attention to one's

thoughts. So for this purpose there is really nothing

to beat the vichara.

alakeshwar

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your post, the advice given by Sri Muruganar is applicable to all

sincere devotees of Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi. I saw this message when I

myself was in doubt .............. similar to the one Ganesan had.

 

Sri Muruganar's advice to V.Ganesan :

" That is all escapism. Having come to Bhagawan and knowing His teaching you

should plunge into Self-Enquiry . One who has been drawn to Bhagawan is already

on the direct path. When Bhagawan recommends other methods, they are meant only

for those questioners, not for you. Bhagawan's path is the only path meant for

you. Having come to Him, why wonder about ?"

 

Best Regards

Dora

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--- swathi dora <doraksp wrote:

> Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

>

> " Having come to Bhagavan and knowing His teaching

> you should plunge into Self-Enquiry " ........

> Sri.Muruganar.

>

> The standard introduction to Bhagavan's practical

> advice is the essay composed by Him.....

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Dear

Swathi,

 

Thank

you for your posts. Sometimes questions come up from people just learning of

Sri Ramana’s teachings about booklets and books on Sri Ramana’s

teachings and explanations. Different yogis, authors, and works resonate with

different people and that is due to our mental makeup. So one can study

whatever works help them on the path to knowing the Self.

 

The Heart,

the Self is the original source of the teaching. That Heart manifested as the great

sage of Arunachala and Sri Ramana’s words point to the Heart. “Talks

with Sri Ramana Maharshi” and “Day by Day with Bhagavan”

are good sources of Bhagavan’s teachings as these are mostly his own

words (although mostly uttered in other languages), and they capture the

essence of the pure teaching and the devotees in tune can sense Sri Ramana’s

force behind these. The recollections of devotees are wonderful as well.

 

Love to

all

Harsha

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" Having come to Bhagavan and knowing His

teaching you should plunge into Self-Enquiry " ........ Sri.Muruganar.

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" Having come to Bhagavan and knowing His teaching you should plunge

into Self-Enquiry " ........ Sri.Muruganar.

 

The standard introduction to Bhagavan's practical advice is the essay

composed by Him in the mid 1920s , is the work that originated with

answers written in the sand in 1901 in reply to the questions asked

by a devotee by the name Sivaprakasam Pillai.

 

I would like to share this essay by posting a portion of the essay on

each day so that we can properly understand the contents and can

clear our doubts from the senior members of this list. As John

mentioned in one of the informal discussions ....... ' It is always

best to revert to a SMALL amount of material. The ego want to expand

its studies ( thereby weakneing the Quest ) '. So I decided to post

this essay little by little on a daily basis.

 

I first came to know about this essay thro' an article written on this

subject by Mr.Davidgodman.( pls refer his webpage ).

 

................................. Who am I ? ...............................

Sri. Ramana Maharshi.

 

Every living being longs to be perpetually happy, without any

misery. Since in everyone the highest love is alone felt for oneself,

and since happiness alone is the cause of love, in order to attain

that happiness, which is one's real nature and which is experianced

daily in the mindless state of deep sleep, it is necessary to know

oneself. To achieve that, enquiry in the form ' Who am I ?' is the

fremost means.

 

Question: Who am I ?

 

' Who am I ?' The physical body, composed of the seven dhatus,

is not ' I '. The five sense organs ... and the five types of

perception known through the senses... are not ' I '. The five parts

of the body which act... and their functions... are not ' I '. The

five vital airs such as 'prana' , which perform the five vital

functions such as respiration, are not ' I '. Even the mind that

thinks is not ' I '. In the state of deep sleep 'vishaya vasanas'

remain. Devoid of sensory knowledge and activity, even this [ state ]

is not ' I '. After negating all of the above as ' not I, not I ' ,

the knowledge that alone remains is itself ' I '. The nature of

knowledge is 'sat-chit-ananda' [ being-consciousness-bliss ].

 

................... to be continued.

 

Notes : Mr.Davidgodman provided following meanings to the technical terms used in the essay.

' Vasanas ' is a key word in 'Who am I?' It can be defined as , ' the

impressions of anything remaining unconsciously in the mind; the

present consciousness of past perceptions; knowledge derived from

memory; latent endencies formd by former actions, thoughts and

speech.' It is usually rendered in English as 'latent tendencies'.

' Vishaya vasanas ' are those latent mental tendancies that impel one

to indulge in knowledge or perceptions derived from the five senses.

In a broader context it may also include indulging in any mental

activity such as daydreaming or fantasizing, where the content of the

thoughts is derived from past habits or desires.

The sevn 'dhatus' are chyle, blood, flesh, fat, marrow, bone and semen.

The five sense organs are the ears, skin, eyes, tongue and nose.

The five types of perception or knowledge, called 'vishayas',are

sound, touch, sight, taste and smell.

The five parts of the body that act are the mouth, the legs, the

hands, the anus, and the genitals and their functions are speaking,

walking, giving, excreting and enjoying.

The five vital airs ( prana vayus ) are responsible for maintaining

the health of the body. They convert inhaled air and ingested food

into the energy required for the healthy and harmonious functioning

of the body.

 

Thanks

Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan

Dora

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