Qualified non-dualism or non-dualism

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Hello,

 

1. If you were to get a splinter in your foot, do you remove it? Or

do you realize there is no foot, no splinter, no pain.

Ramana sat to close to the fire once and severely burnt his legs.

 

 

2. I am told you non-dual types believe in nothing. Do you believe

in yourself? If you only accept your awareness, do you accept mine?

If you accept mine, you must accept God. That in which we live, move

and have our being. Qualified non-dualism.

 

 

3. Do you accept qualified non-dualism? Or do you only practice non-

dualsim? If so, do you have sex, enjoy food, etc.? The difference

between tasting sugar and being sugar. Do you act non-dual(ie

Ramana) or are you a hipocrit and really practice qualified non-

dualism(ie papaji). Act non-dual as well as talk non-dual.

 

Namaste

Om Namah Shivaya

Jason James Morgan

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Dear Jason James,

 

Are you looking for a quarrel? Harshasatsangh sure isn't the place

for it, but I am certain you can find what you're looking for

somewhere else.

 

Take it easy,

Kheyala

 

 

 

 

, "Jason James Morgan"

<jasonjamesmorgan@d...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> 1. If you were to get a splinter in your foot, do you remove it?

Or

> do you realize there is no foot, no splinter, no pain.

> Ramana sat to close to the fire once and severely burnt his legs.

>

>

> 2. I am told you non-dual types believe in nothing. Do you

believe

> in yourself? If you only accept your awareness, do you accept

mine?

> If you accept mine, you must accept God. That in which we live,

move

> and have our being. Qualified non-dualism.

>

>

> 3. Do you accept qualified non-dualism? Or do you only practice

non-

> dualsim? If so, do you have sex, enjoy food, etc.? The

difference

> between tasting sugar and being sugar. Do you act non-dual(ie

> Ramana) or are you a hipocrit and really practice qualified non-

> dualism(ie papaji). Act non-dual as well as talk non-dual.

>

> Namaste

> Om Namah Shivaya

> Jason James Morgan

[Guest guest]

Dear Jason,

Even before i had any theological understanding or learning and knew

nothing of eastern philosophy let alone all the varieties of non-dualism a

thought used to occur to me which was ' If God exists can anything exist but

God?' -that is to say that a simple belief in God leads to a simple

extrapolation that everything is God. After a lengthy search it was only the

philosophy of adavaita vedanta expressed perfectly in the life of Sri

Ramana Maharshi that answered this question for me.As Bhagavan said "

Infinity does not allow for finite parts within it".

If a dualist or qualified non-dualist can tell me to my

satisfaction which bits of the universe are God and which bits aren't then i

will happily throw away any interest in non-duality.

Having said all this i still don't think that we should get too

bogged down with intellectualism here. Seeming intellectual conflicts only

demonstrate the limitations of the mind .Why should we put our faith totally

in that which is limited.

Non-Duality is really only saying "Everything is God,everything is

Self, everything is Love."

 

yours in Bhagavan,

michael dillon

 

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Hello,

1. If you were to get a splinter in your foot, do you remove it? Or

do you realize there is no foot, no splinter, no pain.

Ramana sat to close to the fire once and severely burnt his legs.

2. I am told you non-dual types believe in nothing. Do you believe

in yourself? If you only accept your awareness, do you accept mine?

If you accept mine, you must accept God. That in which we live, move

and have our being. Qualified non-dualism.

3. Do you accept qualified non-dualism? Or do you only practice non-

dualsim? If so, do you have sex, enjoy food, etc.? The difference

between tasting sugar and being sugar. Do you act non-dual(ie

Ramana) or are you a hipocrit and really practice qualified non-

dualism(ie papaji). Act non-dual as well as talk non-dual.

Namaste

Om Namah Shivaya

Jason James Morgan

 

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Hello,

 

It is all God, my friend.

 

I believe Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa has demonstrated to the world

already, that non-dual realization is "the end result" of Bhakti as

it is with gnani.

 

It is all God or consciousness.

 

I have grown weiry of trying to prove that god exisists. Instead how

about trying to prove he does not exist?

 

Honestly, I found it impossible, either way. God can only be

experienced, words can only help lead you to experience God.

Experiencing God(bhakti), is non-dual realization(gnani).

Namaste

Om Namah Shivaya

Jason James Morgan

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "michael dillon"

<michael_dillon_108@m...> wrote:

> Dear Jason,

> Even before i had any theological understanding or learning

and knew

> nothing of eastern philosophy let alone all the varieties of non-

dualism a

> thought used to occur to me which was ' If God exists can anything

exist but

> God?' -that is to say that a simple belief in God leads to a simple

> extrapolation that everything is God. After a lengthy search it was

only the

> philosophy of adavaita vedanta expressed perfectly in the life of

Sri

> Ramana Maharshi that answered this question for me.As Bhagavan

said "

> Infinity does not allow for finite parts within it".

> If a dualist or qualified non-dualist can tell me to my

> satisfaction which bits of the universe are God and which bits

aren't then i

> will happily throw away any interest in non-duality.

> Having said all this i still don't think that we should get

too

> bogged down with intellectualism here. Seeming intellectual

conflicts only

> demonstrate the limitations of the mind .Why should we put our

faith totally

> in that which is limited.

> Non-Duality is really only saying "Everything is

God,everything is

> Self, everything is Love."

>

> yours in Bhagavan,

> michael dillon

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Dear

michael dillon)

 

You are asking to prove where God Is?

Jaison had rightly told you that it cannot be proved

but can only be realised.

In this connection I want to add something with Jaison regarding

non-dualism of RamKrishna Paramhansa.Though anybody

can know it by studying about him I hope it will clear some

of your doubts.

 

"In this phase of his spiritual journey, Ramakrishna saw God as the

Divine Mother, but his spiritual journey was never static. Next he

took up devotion to the form of the Avatar Rama who lived thousands

of years ago and after attaining a vision of Rama, he next fixed his

goal on Krishna, another divine incarnation. In this way Ramakrishna

spent his whole life seeking God in many different ways.

 

One of his young charges had a bible and used to read to Sri

Ramakrishna stories from the bible. He became enamored of the

wonderful stories of the life of Christ and of the beautiful picture

of the Madonna with the Divine Child and fully immersed his mind in

the Christian images for three days. On the fourth day as he was

walking he saw an extraordinary looking person of serene aspect

approaching him with his gaze intently fixed on him. Presently the

figure drew near and from the inmost recesses of Sri Ramakrishna's

heart there came the realization: "There is the Christ who poured out

his heart's blood for the redemption of mankind and suffered agonies

for its sake. It is none else but the Master-Yogin Jesus, the

embodiment of Love!" In his divine vision the Son of Man embraced Sri

Ramakrishna and became merged in him. The Master lost outward

consciousness in Samadhi, realizing his union with Brahman with

attributes. Thus was he convinced that Jesus Christ was an

Incarnation of the Lord.

 

In addition to being a Devotee (an inherently dualistic

relationship), Ramakrishna also attained to mergence in the absolute

(ie complete non dualism). This came through a meeting with an

advanced practitioner of Advaitha (Oneness with God) by the name of

Totapuri. The wandering monk had attained the ultimate mergence in

Nirvikalpa Samadhi after strenuous meditation extending over 40

years. After mergence he wandered freely seeing Brahman everywhere,

oblivious to the joys and sorrows of the world. Totapuri saw only the

formless and impersonal Absolute. He was not a devotee of God in the

sense Ramakrishna was. On meeting Ramakrishna he recognized a man of

some spiritual attainment and he asked him if he would like to learn

Vedanta. Ramakrishna replied in his simple way that he would have to

go "ask his Mother" and in a subsequent conversation with the Divine

Mother she said, "Yes, my son. That is why I have brought him here".

So Totapuri initiated him and began to teach him Advaitha philosophy.

Throughout the latter part of his life, Ramakrishna floated in and

out of Samadhi throughout the day. " taken from website .

So it is clear that though Ramakrishna did worship God with form he

got ultimate blessing only after he was tought Advaitha philosophy.

 

That Advaitha philosophy is the foundation of Maharshi Ramana way.

 

Om Namh Shivaya

 

Pranjal

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dear sir thank you for your reply,but i wasn't in fact asking where God is

-rather i was asking where God isn't.

regards, michael dillon

as Bhagavan says ' what IS is God '

 

>"pranjalsharmah" <pranjalsharmah

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Dear

michael dillon)

You are asking to prove where God Is?

Jaison had rightly told you that it cannot be proved

but can only be realised.

In this connection I want to add something with Jaison regarding

non-dualism of RamKrishna Paramhansa.Though anybody

can know it by studying about him I hope it will clear some

of your doubts.

"In this phase of his spiritual journey, Ramakrishna saw God as the

Divine Mother, but his spiritual journey was never static. Next he

took up devotion to the form of the Avatar Rama who lived thousands

of years ago and after attaining a vision of Rama, he next fixed his

goal on Krishna, another divine incarnation. In this way Ramakrishna

spent his whole life seeking God in many different ways.

One of his young charges had a bible and used to read to Sri

Ramakrishna stories from the bible. He became enamored of the

wonderful stories of the life of Christ and of the beautiful picture

of the Madonna with the Divine Child and fully immersed his mind in

the Christian images for three days. On the fourth day as he was

walking he saw an extraordinary looking person of serene aspect

approaching him with his gaze intently fixed on him. Presently the

figure drew near and from the inmost recesses of Sri Ramakrishna's

heart there came the realization: "There is the Christ who poured out

his heart's blood for the redemption of mankind and suffered agonies

for its sake. It is none else but the Master-Yogin Jesus, the

embodiment of Love!" In his divine vision the Son of Man embraced Sri

Ramakrishna and became merged in him. The Master lost outward

consciousness in Samadhi, realizing his union with Brahman with

attributes. Thus was he convinced that Jesus Christ was an

Incarnation of the Lord.

In addition to being a Devotee (an inherently dualistic

relationship), Ramakrishna also attained to mergence in the absolute

(ie complete non dualism). This came through a meeting with an

advanced practitioner of Advaitha (Oneness with God) by the name of

Totapuri. The wandering monk had attained the ultimate mergence in

Nirvikalpa Samadhi after strenuous meditation extending over 40

years. After mergence he wandered freely seeing Brahman everywhere,

oblivious to the joys and sorrows of the world. Totapuri saw only the

formless and impersonal Absolute. He was not a devotee of God in the

sense Ramakrishna was. On meeting Ramakrishna he recognized a man of

some spiritual attainment and he asked him if he would like to learn

Vedanta. Ramakrishna replied in his simple way that he would have to

go "ask his Mother" and in a subsequent conversation with the Divine

Mother she said, "Yes, my son. That is why I have brought him here".

So Totapuri initiated him and began to teach him Advaitha philosophy.

Throughout the latter part of his life, Ramakrishna floated in and

out of Samadhi throughout the day. " taken from website .

So it is clear that though Ramakrishna did worship God with form he

got ultimate blessing only after he was tought Advaitha philosophy.

That Advaitha philosophy is the foundation of Maharshi Ramana way.

Om Namh Shivaya

Pranjal

 

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Hello,

 

Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa attained, was no less told by the holy

mother to stay in, bhavamukha.

 

I understand you have a beautiful understand of the life and 12 year

sadhana of the master. I have found myself trying to understand

these masters and how they differ from a "regular" jivanmukta. Like

kapila and such tried. Maybe a somewhat futile endeavor.

 

But I was wondering how you would put it into words. The state of

sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi compared to bavamukha.

 

I am not sure if everyone else would care for this dialoge. If you

feel this, feel free to answer me directly, if you would be so kind,

at jasonjamesmorgan or jasonjamesmorgan

 

I think another important part of the history was the lesson learned

by Totapuri.

 

If my memory serves me correct.

Sri Ramakrishna went into nirvikalpa samdhi for 3 days apon final

instruction from Totapuri. Ramakrishna could not drop the devotee

relationship. So Totapuri stuck a piece of glass inbetween the

masters brow and told him to concentrate on it. He did, and was

confronted with the image of the Holy Mother. He cloved her in two,

and went into Nirvikalpa Samadhi for 3 days. Totapuri was shocked

that he accomplished it so short a time. After he remained in

bhavamukha, for the simple desires of love of future disciples and

the Holy Mother. After Totapuri left, the master Sri Ramakrishna

went into Nirvikalpa Samadhi for 6 months, and his body was kept

alive by force feeding.

 

But the interesting thing, is what Totapuri learned from the master.

Totapuri became ill with disintary or some such illness. The illness

got so bad that it inhibitid his samadhi. So this naked sage decided

to be done with his cage of bone and flesh. He walked into the

ganges to drown it. And lo, he stood on the opposite bank. I

believe tried a few more times, with no success. He came to realize

that he could not kill his body, as his body was the Holy Mothers.

He came to know The Holy Mother.

 

Ah, me. Have you read the new publication written my his direct

disciple " Sri Ramkrishna and his divine play". It differs from "M"s

as that masterpiece was written by a householder, and the former by a

direct disciple.

 

Thank you for your beatiful and accurate account.

 

Namaste

Om Namah Shivaya

Jason James Morgan

 

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "pranjalsharmah"

<pranjalsharmah> wrote:

>

> Dear

> michael dillon)

>

> You are asking to prove where God Is?

> Jaison had rightly told you that it cannot be proved

> but can only be realised........