Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Moderator's Note: This message has been edited. Will members please do likewise when replying to a long post. Thank you. fuzzie_wuz wrote: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Excellent!!! RamanaMaharshi, swathi dora <doraksp> wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya > > Keeping the mind fixed in the Self at all times is called > self-enquiry, whereas thinking oneself to be Brahman, which is > 'sat-chit-ananda' [being-consciousness-bliss], is meditation. Eventually, > all that one has learnt will have to be forgotten. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Keeping the mind fixed in the Self at all times is called self-enquiry, whereas thinking oneself to be Brahman, which is 'sat-chit-ananda' [being-consciousness-bliss], is meditation. Eventually, all that one has learnt will have to be forgotten. [sri David Godman's comments: One can distinguish different levels of experiance in the practice of self-enquiry. In the beginning one attempts to eliminate all transient thoughts by concentrating on or looking for the primal 'I'-thought. This corresponds to the stage Bhagawan described earlier in the essay when one cuts down all the enemies, the thoughts, as they emerge from the fortress of the mind. If one achieves success in this for any length of time, the 'I'-thought, deprived of new thoughts to attach itself to, begins to subside, and one then moves to a deeper level of experiance. The 'I'-thought descends into the Heart and remains there temporarily until the residual 'vasanas' cause it to rise again. It is this second stage that Bhagavan refers to when he says that 'keeping the mind fixed in the Self alone can be called self-enquiry'. Most practitioners of sely-enquiry will readily admit that this rarely happens to them, but neverthless, according to Bhagavan's teachings, fixing the mind in the Self should be regarded as an intermediate goal on the path to full realisation. It is interesting to note that Bhagavan restricts the term 'self-enquiry' to this phase of the practice. This unusual definition was more or less repeated in an answer he gave to Kapali Sastri: Q.: If I go on rejecting thoughts, can I call it 'vichara' [self-enquiry]? A.: It may be a stepping stone. But real 'vichara' begins when you cling to yourself and are already off the mental movements, the thought waves. (Sad Darshana bhashya, 1975 ed., p.ix) The following optimistic answers by Bhagavan, on keeping the mind in the Heart, may provide encouragement to those practitioners who often feel that such experiances may never come their way: Q.: How long can the mind stay or be kept in the Heart? A.: The period extends by practice. Q.: What will happen at the end of that period? A.: The mind returns to the present normal state. Unity in the Heart is replaced by a variety of perceived phenomena. This is called the outgoing mind. The Heart-going mind is called the resting mind. When one daily practices more and more in this manner, the mind will become extremely pure due to the removal of its defects and the practice will become so easy that the purified mind will plunge into the Heart as soon as the enquiry is commenced. (Be As You Are, p.66) Bhagavan noted that 'thinking oneself to be 'Brahman' ....is maditation', not enquiry. Traditional advaitic 'sadhana' follows the path of negation and affirmation. In the negative approach, one continuously rejects all thoughts, feelings and sensations as 'not I'. On the affirmative route one attempts to cultivate the attitude 'I am Brahman' or 'I am the Self'. Bhagavan called this latter approach, and all other techniques in which one concentrates on an idea or a form, 'meditation', and regarded all such methods as being indirect and inferior to self-enquiry. Q.: Is not affirmation of God more effective than the quest 'Who am I?' Affirmation is positive, whereas the other is negation. Moreover, it indicates seperateness. A.: So long as you seek to know how to realise, this advice is given to find your Self. Your seeking the method denotes your seperateness. Q.: Is it not better to say 'I am the Supreme Being' than ask 'Who am I?' A.: Who affirms? There must be one to do it. Find that one. Q.: Is not meditation better than investigation? A.: Meditation implies mental imagery, whereas investigation is for the reality. The former is objective, whereas the latter is subjective. Q.: There must be a scientific approach to this subject. A.: To eschew unreality and seek the reality is scientific. ( Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, talk no 338 )] India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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