Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 - Tony OClery Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:47 PM Yamas and Niyamas. Namaste,I find this interesting in as much as many of us are hypocrites. We claim we don't do this or that and rationalise. For example stealing doesn't just mean taking a product it covers everything from doing just that to not reporting lost time to an employer, or misappropriating people's land in the case of wars and States.I feel that following just one of these perfectly will achieve them all. It is all about cleansing samskaras in the mind to enable realisation to occur..One being left intact will prevent realisation..IMHO........ONS...Tony.Yama - Restraint. The five Don'ts of Yoga:Yamas 1. Ahimsa - non-violence, non-injury, harmlessness; 2. Aatya - truthfulness, honesty; 3. Asteya - non-stealing, honesty, non-misappropriateness; 4. Brahmacharya - continence; 5. Aparigraha - non-possessiveness, non-greed, non-selfishness, non-acquisitiveness Niyama - Observance. The five Do's of Yoga: 1. Shaucha - purity, cleanliness; 2. Santosha - contentment, peacefulness; 3. Tapas - austerity, practical (i.e., result-producing) spiritual discipline; 4. Swadhyaya - self-study, spiritual study; 5. Ishwara Pranidhana -offering of one's life to GodHi Tony, I might 'say', if one offers/is the offering....no-thing else matters... Anna (All exists As the 'body' -- no separation into This or/and That--Known) /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 , "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > Namaste, > > I find this interesting in as much as many of us are hypocrites. We > claim we don't do this or that and rationalise. For example stealing > doesn't just mean taking a product it covers everything from doing > just that to not reporting lost time to an employer, or > misappropriating people's land in the case of wars and States. > > I feel that following just one of these perfectly will achieve them > all. It is all about cleansing samskaras in the mind to enable > realisation to occur..One being left intact will prevent > realisation..IMHO........ONS...Tony. > > Yama - Restraint. The five Don'ts of Yoga: > > Yamas > 1. Ahimsa - non-violence, non-injury, harmlessness; > 2. Aatya - truthfulness, honesty; > 3. Asteya - non-stealing, honesty, non-misappropriateness; > 4. Brahmacharya - continence; > 5. Aparigraha - non-possessiveness, non-greed, non- selfishness, > non- > acquisitiveness > > > Niyama - Observance. The five Do's of Yoga: > > 1. Shaucha - purity, cleanliness; > 2. Santosha - contentment, peacefulness; > 3. Tapas - austerity, practical (i.e., result-producing) spiritual > discipline; > 4. Swadhyaya - self-study, spiritual study; > 5. Ishwara Pranidhana -offering of one's life to > God > >Hi Tony, > I might 'say', if one offers/is the offering....no-thing else matters... > > Anna > > (All exists As the 'body' -- no separation into This or/and That- -Known) Namaste Anna, I can help answer that by my posts on advaitajnana. I agree with you but if there is a samskara then one cannot realise and it will always raise its head, especially if it is an emotional one----the strongest and most persistant, no matter how much one thinks one is the Self or whatever..... http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/RUMBLES.htm > Beautiful story about LOVING and CRYING that is just the Self playing > one of its roles called Rumbles. > > And the JOY is that because of your story he is more with me today than > he was with you yesterday. > > thanks for sharing > geza Namaste,Geza, I find myself surprised constantly by my emotional self. No matter how non-dual I think, or how many philosophy books are in my head, the emotions will always overwhelm everything for a time. It seems that grief samskaras dissipate through waves, until they are but in abeyance. I have been through this before with animals and human forms of Self, but it always catches me by surprise each time...............ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Tony OClery wrote: >, "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> >wrote: > > >> Namaste, >> >> I find this interesting in as much as many of us are hypocrites. >> >> >We > > >> claim we don't do this or that and rationalise. For example >> >> >stealing > > >> doesn't just mean taking a product it covers everything from >> >> >doing > > >> just that to not reporting lost time to an employer, or >> misappropriating people's land in the case of wars and States. >> >> I feel that following just one of these perfectly will achieve >> >> >them > > >> all. It is all about cleansing samskaras in the mind to enable >> realisation to occur..One being left intact will prevent >> realisation..IMHO........ONS...Tony. >> >> Yama - Restraint. The five Don'ts of Yoga: >> >> Yamas >> 1. Ahimsa - non-violence, non-injury, harmlessness; >> 2. Aatya - truthfulness, honesty; >> 3. Asteya - non-stealing, honesty, non-misappropriateness; >> 4. Brahmacharya - continence; >> 5. Aparigraha - non-possessiveness, non-greed, non- >> >> >selfishness, > > >> non- >> >> >> >acquisitiveness > > >> >> >> Niyama - Observance. The five Do's of Yoga: >> >> 1. Shaucha - purity, cleanliness; >> 2. Santosha - contentment, peacefulness; >> 3. Tapas - austerity, practical (i.e., result-producing) >> >> >spiritual > > >> discipline; >> 4. Swadhyaya - self-study, spiritual study; >> 5. Ishwara Pranidhana -offering of one's life to >> God >> >>Hi Tony, >> I might 'say', if one offers/is the offering....no-thing else >> >> >matters... > > >> Anna >> >> (All exists As the 'body' -- no separation into This or/and That- >> >> >-Known) > >Namaste Anna, > >I can help answer that by my posts on advaitajnana. I agree with you >but if there is a samskara then one cannot realise and it will >always raise its head, especially if it is an emotional one----the >strongest and most persistant, no matter how much one thinks one is >the Self or whatever..... > > http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/RUMBLES.htm > > > >>Beautiful story about LOVING and CRYING that is just the Self >> >> >playing > > >>one of its roles called Rumbles. >> >>And the JOY is that because of your story he is more with me today >> >> >than > > >>he was with you yesterday. >> >>thanks for sharing >>geza >> >> > >Namaste,Geza, > >I find myself surprised constantly by my emotional self. No matter >how non-dual I think, or how many philosophy books are in my head, >the emotions will always overwhelm everything for a time. > > Hi Tony, Few have experienced the relationship between the incidence of being emotionally overwhelmed and food. Those who have, know that the incidence increases on consumption of processed food (cooking, frying etc.): something anyone can easily verify. >It seems that grief samskaras dissipate through waves, until they >are but in abeyance. I have been through this before with animals >and human forms of Self, but it always catches me by surprise each >time...............ONS...Tony. > > Grief often is a double-sided response: when there is a release of salty tears and mucus (nose, throat) that's a sign of detoxification. Strictly speaking, the grief is greatly amplified as "deep down" there's suffering already, due to abuse of the body (and the resulting load of toxins). Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 , ecirada <ecirada> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > Few have experienced the relationship between the incidence of being > emotionally overwhelmed and food. Those who have, know that the > incidence increases on consumption of processed food (cooking, frying > etc.): something anyone can easily verify. > > >It seems that grief samskaras dissipate through waves, until they > >are but in abeyance. I have been through this before with animals > >and human forms of Self, but it always catches me by surprise each > >time...............ONS...Tony. > > > > > Grief often is a double-sided response: when there is a release of salty > tears and mucus (nose, throat) that's a sign of detoxification. Strictly > speaking, the grief is greatly amplified as "deep down" there's > suffering already, due to abuse of the body (and the resulting load of > toxins). > > Jan Dear Jan, With all "do" respect (because I *do* respect you), it is my experience, having been a living foodist for months at a time and a drama queen for just about my whole life, that emotional overwhelm, for me, is due to unfinished business. When my vasanas are triggered, I swear it doesn't matter what I ate for breakfast or what I ate for the last 50 breakfasts. I will say, however, in agreement with you, that I have also experienced the emotional overwhelm that, again, for me, is the result of an end-of-the-rope fatigue. That lack of energy (physical, as well as clarity-energy) seems to be directly related to the toll what I had previously eaten was taking on my digestion. As always, the REAL issue for me is Who am I in the midst of eating? In the midst of thrashing about? Or sobbing? Or digesting? Who am I right now? Okay. That's all I wanted to say! Bon Appetit! Love to Everybody! Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 kheyalove wrote: >, ecirada <ecirada> wrote: > > >>Hi Tony, >> >>Few have experienced the relationship between the incidence of >> >> >being > > >>emotionally overwhelmed and food. Those who have, know that the >>incidence increases on consumption of processed food (cooking, >> >> >frying > > >>etc.): something anyone can easily verify. >> >> >> >>>It seems that grief samskaras dissipate through waves, until they >>>are but in abeyance. I have been through this before with animals >>>and human forms of Self, but it always catches me by surprise each >>>time...............ONS...Tony. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Grief often is a double-sided response: when there is a release of >> >> >salty > > >>tears and mucus (nose, throat) that's a sign of detoxification. >> >> >Strictly > > >>speaking, the grief is greatly amplified as "deep down" there's >>suffering already, due to abuse of the body (and the resulting >> >> >load of > > >>toxins). >> >>Jan >> >> > > >Dear Jan, > >With all "do" respect (because I *do* respect you), it is my >experience, having been a living foodist for months at a time and a >drama queen for just about my whole life, that emotional overwhelm, >for me, is due to unfinished business. When my vasanas are >triggered, I swear it doesn't matter what I ate for breakfast or >what I ate for the last 50 breakfasts. > > Apparently you know which vasanas trigger the choice of food. Please tell. >I will say, however, in agreement with you, that I have also >experienced the emotional overwhelm that, again, for me, is the >result of an end-of-the-rope fatigue. That lack of energy >(physical, as well as clarity-energy) seems to be directly related >to the toll what I had previously eaten was taking on my digestion. > > I am reminded of an MD who used to treat patients for acidosis. He both asked the patients if they followed his advice and tested that. So many patients were lying, the MD opened a clinic, and the patients had to stay until declared cured. Quite a few then had to leave to attend sudden business and when on entering the clinic it was proved the guidelines were violated, they could pack their bags. Some of the faithful patients were even cured from religious zeal. >As always, the REAL issue for me is Who am I in the midst of >eating? In the midst of thrashing about? Or sobbing? Or >digesting? > >Who am I right now? > > Try to ask that when asleep, the answer has to be the same. What is real from one perspective is unreal from another. > > > >Okay. That's all I wanted to say! > >Bon Appetit! > >Love to Everybody! > >Kheyala > > Happy inquiry to you! Jan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 , ecirada <ecirada> wrote: > kheyalove wrote: > > > > > >Dear Jan, > > > >With all "do" respect (because I *do* respect you), it is my > >experience, having been a living foodist for months at a time and a > >drama queen for just about my whole life, that emotional overwhelm, > >for me, is due to unfinished business. When my vasanas are > >triggered, I swear it doesn't matter what I ate for breakfast or > >what I ate for the last 50 breakfasts. > > > > > Apparently you know which vasanas trigger the choice of food. Please tell. Which vasanas trigger the choice of food? I could spend some time and go into that, Jan, but at this moment I'm feeling it's more important to be aware of whether or not a vasana is doing the choosing at all. If one is, then certainly the choice would be untrustworthy. Conversely, if the choice is made without a me making it, then I believe it would be trustworthy. > > >I will say, however, in agreement with you, that I have also > >experienced the emotional overwhelm that, again, for me, is the > >result of an end-of-the-rope fatigue. That lack of energy > >(physical, as well as clarity-energy) seems to be directly related > >to the toll what I had previously eaten was taking on my digestion. > > > > > I am reminded of an MD who used to treat patients for acidosis. He both > asked the patients if they followed his advice and tested that. So many > patients were lying, the MD opened a clinic, and the patients had to > stay until declared cured. Quite a few then had to leave to attend > sudden business and when on entering the clinic it was proved the > guidelines were violated, they could pack their bags. Some of the > faithful patients were even cured from religious zeal. Did this experiment, by any chance, take place in Texas? > > >As always, the REAL issue for me is Who am I in the midst of > >eating? In the midst of thrashing about? Or sobbing? Or > >digesting? > > > >Who am I right now? > > > > > Try to ask that when asleep, the answer has to be the same. What is real > from one perspective is unreal from another. You're being silly. In deep sleep, who needs questions? (Besides, who said anything about seeking an answer? All the goodies for me are in the asking!) > > > > > > > > >Okay. That's all I wanted to say! > > > >Bon Appetit! > > > >Love to Everybody! > > > >Kheyala > > > > > Happy inquiry to you! I love you too. > > Jan > (heeheehee) Kheyala (am laughing because "happy inquiry" seems so male and "I love you" seems so female and I think it's really neat and amazing when human beings can simply be as we are and dance together in this crazy, wonderful dream!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 kheyalove wrote: >, ecirada <ecirada> wrote: > > >>kheyalove wrote: >> >> >>>Dear Jan, >>> >>>With all "do" respect (because I *do* respect you), it is my >>>experience, having been a living foodist for months at a time and >>> >>> >a > > >>>drama queen for just about my whole life, that emotional >>> >>> >overwhelm, > > >>>for me, is due to unfinished business. When my vasanas are >>>triggered, I swear it doesn't matter what I ate for breakfast or >>>what I ate for the last 50 breakfasts. >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>Apparently you know which vasanas trigger the choice of food. >> >> >Please tell. > > >Which vasanas trigger the choice of food? I could spend some time >and go into that, Jan, but at this moment I'm feeling it's more >important to be aware of whether or not a vasana is doing the >choosing at all. If one is, then certainly the choice would be >untrustworthy. Conversely, if the choice is made without a me >making it, then I believe it would be trustworthy. > > You could have learned in biology class that creatures are born with a sense of taste and a mechanism to interpret that taste. For those who are just keen observers, it suffices to see that raw rice is a delicacy for wild doves but not for man. That the naturally wired preferences can be distorted (to the detriment of biological functioning) is another issue and has nothing to do with a "me". > > > > >>>I will say, however, in agreement with you, that I have also >>>experienced the emotional overwhelm that, again, for me, is the >>>result of an end-of-the-rope fatigue. That lack of energy >>>(physical, as well as clarity-energy) seems to be directly >>> >>> >related > > >>>to the toll what I had previously eaten was taking on my >>> >>> >digestion. > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I am reminded of an MD who used to treat patients for acidosis. He >> >> >both > > >>asked the patients if they followed his advice and tested that. So >> >> >many > > >>patients were lying, the MD opened a clinic, and the patients had >> >> >to > > >>stay until declared cured. Quite a few then had to leave to attend >>sudden business and when on entering the clinic it was proved the >>guidelines were violated, they could pack their bags. Some of the >>faithful patients were even cured from religious zeal. >> >> > > > Did this experiment, by any chance, take place in Texas? > > No, it was in Holland, before WWII. The MD also wrote a book on the issue, with a lot of anecdotal evidence. > > > > >>>As always, the REAL issue for me is Who am I in the midst of >>>eating? In the midst of thrashing about? Or sobbing? Or >>>digesting? >>> >>>Who am I right now? >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>Try to ask that when asleep, the answer has to be the same. What >> >> >is real > > >>from one perspective is unreal from another. >> >> > > >You're being silly. In deep sleep, who needs questions? >(Besides, who said anything about seeking an answer? All the goodies >for me are in the asking!) > > The obvious, you can't become what you already aren't so no need to dwell on that, which is impossible during sleep. > > > >>> >>>Okay. That's all I wanted to say! >>> >>>Bon Appetit! >>> >>>Love to Everybody! >>> >>>Kheyala >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Happy inquiry to you! >> >> > >I love you too. > > > >>Jan >> >> >> > >(heeheehee) Kheyala > >(am laughing because "happy inquiry" seems so male and "I love you" >seems so female and I think it's really neat and amazing when human >beings can simply be as we are and dance together in this crazy, >wonderful dream!) > > > > > The dream still is running on fossil fuel, from all possible genders. Modern languages like English have discarded most of gender, in German "cat" is feminine, "dog" masculine, "horse", neuter! :-) Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 > You could have learned in biology class that creatures are born with a > sense of taste and a mechanism to interpret that taste. For those who > are just keen observers, it suffices to see that raw rice is a delicacy > for wild doves but not for man. That the naturally wired preferences can > be distorted (to the detriment of biological functioning) is another > issue and has nothing to do with a "me". Fair enough. I'm reminded of Maharaj having an appetite for smoking beadies, which he did his entire life. Because of this he died of throat cancer, but it was Maharaj, so who cares? It appears he wasn't worried about it! As far as I know, Ramana, too, ate lots of cooked food and clearly wasn't concerned about it. I guess it all boils down to what one is all about. <snip> > > > >(heeheehee) Kheyala > > > >(am laughing because "happy inquiry" seems so male and "I love you" > >seems so female and I think it's really neat and amazing when human > >beings can simply be as we are and dance together in this crazy, > >wonderful dream!) > > > > > > > > > > > The dream still is running on fossil fuel, from all possible genders. Yet, whatever the dream is running on still doesn't make it real. > Modern languages like English have discarded most of gender, in German > "cat" is feminine, "dog" masculine, "horse", neuter! > > :-) > Jan Right again, Jan. Even "young girl" in German is neuter! It's been fun talking with you! I remember 4 years ago when I first got hold of a computer and I reached out from my extremely hermitted existence just to make contact with another living being. You were the first one who indulged me. It was very valuable for me then to see what my own fingers were typing. That is still the case now, and I still learn every time. Thank you for giving me the place to start! Take care, and happy hiking. Don't wear any cologne or those killer bees will come after you! (Do they go for the essential oils, too?) Warmly, Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 kheyalove wrote: You could have learned in biology class that creatures are born with a sense of taste and a mechanism to interpret that taste. For those who are just keen observers, it suffices to see that raw rice is a delicacy for wild doves but not for man. That the naturally wired preferences can be distorted (to the detriment of biological functioning) is another issue and has nothing to do with a "me". Fair enough. I'm reminded of Maharaj having an appetite for smoking beadies, which he did his entire life. Because of this he died of throat cancer, but it was Maharaj, so who cares? It appears he wasn't worried about it! A well known term is "Sat-Chit-Ananda", the "Ananda" component when unveiled pales every transient pleasure yet doesn't annihilate activities, it annihilates attachments so any habit can be kicked instantly. Indifference to the fate of the body and feelings of relatives / friends etc. is a different issue. As far as I know, Ramana, too, ate lots of cooked food and clearly wasn't concerned about it. I guess it all boils down to what one is all about. It's impossible to know everything, ignorance has been likened to an onion with many layers, all of them are transient though. <snip> [...] Modern languages like English have discarded most of gender, in German "cat" is feminine, "dog" masculine, "horse", neuter! :-) Jan Right again, Jan. Even "young girl" in German is neuter! It's been fun talking with you! I remember 4 years ago when I first got hold of a computer and I reached out from my extremely hermitted existence just to make contact with another living being. You were the first one who indulged me. It was very valuable for me then to see what my own fingers were typing. That is still the case now, and I still learn every time. Thank you for giving me the place to start! You're welcome Kheyala. Once your computer got invaded by a virus which sent a pic of you and Ananda without your approval ;-) Take care, and happy hiking. Don't wear any cologne or those killer bees will come after you! (Do they go for the essential oils, too?) Warmly, Kheyala These days i'm seen more often in company of doves, sanderlings, turnstones, whimbrels: no bees at the beach. It might take more time before the wading birds eat out of hand like the doves do: see the attached pic below, a friend made. Peace, Jan Attachment: (image/jpeg) Doves_in_action.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Jan, that’s a beautiful picture! With your permission, I would like to use it on the HS website. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Love to all 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Harsha 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> color:windowtext"> [] On Behalf Of ecirada Friday, April 15, 2005 6:01 PM Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Yamas and Niyamas. kheyalove wrote: You could have learned in biology class that creatures are born with a sense of taste and a mechanism to interpret that taste. For those who are just keen observers, it suffices to see that raw rice is a delicacy for wild doves but not for man. That the naturally wired preferences can be distorted (to the detriment of biological functioning) is another issue and has nothing to do with a "me". Fair enough. I'm reminded of Maharaj having an appetite for smoking beadies, which he did his entire life. Because of this he died of throat cancer, but it was Maharaj, so who cares? It appears he wasn't worried about it! A well known term is "Sat-Chit-Ananda", the "Ananda" component when unveiled pales every transient pleasure yet doesn't annihilate activities, it annihilates attachments so any habit can be kicked instantly. Indifference to the fate of the body and feelings of relatives / friends etc. is a different issue. As far as I know, Ramana, too, ate lots of cooked food and clearly wasn't concerned about it. I guess it all boils down to what one is all about. It's impossible to know everything, ignorance has been likened to an onion with many layers, all of them are transient though. <snip> [...] Modern languages like English have discarded most of gender, in German "cat" is feminine, "dog" masculine, "horse", neuter! :-)Jan Right again, Jan. Even "young girl" in German is neuter! It's been fun talking with you! I remember 4 years ago when I first got hold of a computer and I reached out from my extremely hermitted existence just to make contact with another living being. You were the first one who indulged me. It was very valuable for me then to see what my own fingers were typing. That is still the case now, and I still learn every time. Thank you for giving me the place to start! You're welcome Kheyala. Once your computer got invaded by a virus which sent a pic of you and Ananda without your approval ;-) Take care, and happy hiking. Don't wear any cologne or those killer bees will come after you! (Do they go for the essential oils, too?) Warmly,Kheyala These days i'm seen more often in company of doves, sanderlings, turnstones, whimbrels: no bees at the beach. It might take more time before the wading birds eat out of hand like the doves do: see the attached pic below, a friend made. Peace, Jan Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 <snip> > A well known term is "Sat-Chit-Ananda", the "Ananda" component > when unveiled pales every transient pleasure yet doesn't annihilate > activities, it annihilates attachments so any habit can be kicked > instantly. Hmmm. Say the body has a habit and there's nobody home (like I presume with Maharaj). Wouldn't the habit simply continue? If there's nobody home, then there's nobody left to be attached to whether or not the body's habit continues. > Indifference to the fate of the body and feelings of relatives / friends > etc. > is a different issue. Sure. > > >As far as I know, Ramana, too, ate lots of cooked food and clearly > >wasn't concerned about it. I guess it all boils down to what one is > >all about. > > > > > > > It's impossible to know everything, ignorance has been likened to > an onion with many layers, all of them are transient though. I hear you. It seems we only know when we know, and that doesn't seem to be up to anybody!) <snip> > Once your computer got invaded by a virus which > sent a pic of you and Ananda without your approval ;-) If it's the picture I'm thinking of, I recall that it did have my approval; it just didn't have Jim's! <snip> > > > > > These days i'm seen more often in company of doves, sanderlings, > turnstones, whimbrels: > no bees at the beach. It might take more time before the wading birds > eat out of hand > like the doves do: see the attached pic below, a friend made. > > Peace, > Jan Oh, Jan, I would love to see the picture but it didn't come through on the HS message board and clicking on the red X didn't work. Maybe a virus could invade your computer this time and send that photo to me! I have been frequenting the beach these days, myself. Although I'm not yet familiar with the birds you mentioned, or many of the sea birds present here, when I was on the sand with Zacky last Sunday, I had no trouble identifying a set of sperm whales that swam right by us. They got so close we were able to see a big head come up and crash down, a bunch of spouts, the incredible length of their bodies on the surface, and a pair of beautifully-formed tail fins. It was breathtaking. I couldn't believe my two-year old already got to see a whale. He went absolutely nuts! My hair has been looking red again in the sun, and I thought I'd completely lost that over the years. I'm wondering if it's from all the minerals it's been getting from the sea air, and I am considering trying out that special Himalayan salt to replenish the rest of me. Do you have any knowledge or experience regarding it? I'm enjoying this dialogue very much! Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Harsha wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Jan, that’s a beautiful picture! With your permission, I would like to use it on the HS website. Love to all Harsha [...] Permission granted Harsha. In case the turnstones can't be seen well, the original pic is larger, 1280*1024. At another location, where benches are available, often pics are taken by tourists as there the doves have become affectionate, which surprises many because according to "experts" the animals can't be domesticated. Peace, Jan Attachment: (image/jpeg) Befriended ECDs.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 kheyalove wrote: ><snip> > > > >>A well known term is "Sat-Chit-Ananda", the "Ananda" component >>when unveiled pales every transient pleasure yet doesn't annihilate >>activities, it annihilates attachments so any habit can be kicked >>instantly. >> >> > >Hmmm. Say the body has a habit and there's nobody home (like I >presume with Maharaj). Wouldn't the habit simply continue? If >there's nobody home, then there's nobody left to be attached to >whether or not the body's habit continues. > > Harmful habits like smoking are addictions medically, and afflictions in the sense of yoga. Smoking in company damages more than one body (himsa). Having forgotten how badly the first smoke smelled & tasted goes under amnesia, not noticing how children and pets respond when puffing in their faces goes under unawareness. > > > >>Indifference to the fate of the body and feelings of relatives / >> >> >friends > > >>etc. >>is a different issue. >> >> > >Sure. > > > >>>As far as I know, Ramana, too, ate lots of cooked food and >>> >>> >clearly > > >>>wasn't concerned about it. I guess it all boils down to what one >>> >>> >is > > >>>all about. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>It's impossible to know everything, ignorance has been likened to >>an onion with many layers, all of them are transient though. >> >> > > >I hear you. It seems we only know when we know, and that doesn't >seem to be up to anybody!) > > Keen observation is automatic for an empty mind, but it takes long to see through customs like cooking: one way to eliminate harmful bacteria for instance in the tropics where they thrive well, a way to use crops otherwise unfit for consumption in other regions too. ><snip> > > > > [...] > > >Oh, Jan, I would love to see the picture but it didn't come through >on the HS message board and clicking on the red X didn't work. Maybe >a virus could invade your computer this time and send that photo to >me! > > The pics aren't stored at the site, so only rs to E-mail received it. Harsha will make it available to see on the magazine's site. >I have been frequenting the beach these days, myself. Although I'm >not yet familiar with the birds you mentioned, or many of the sea >birds present here, when I was on the sand with Zacky last Sunday, I >had no trouble identifying a set of sperm whales that swam right by >us. They got so close we were able to see a big head come up and >crash down, a bunch of spouts, the incredible length of their bodies >on the surface, and a pair of beautifully-formed tail fins. It was >breathtaking. I couldn't believe my two-year old already got to see >a whale. He went absolutely nuts! > > Children like animals, many want to hold a dove on their hand, only few children are calm enough to allow that: the doves trust me and ppl behaving in a similar way (slow, fluent motion). Unless they know you well, one jerk and they take off ;-) >My hair has been looking red again in the sun, and I thought I'd >completely lost that over the years. I'm wondering if it's from all >the minerals it's been getting from the sea air, and I am >considering trying out that special Himalayan salt to replenish the >rest of me. Do you have any knowledge or experience regarding it? > >I'm enjoying this dialogue very much! > >Kheyala > > In most parts of the world, the soil has been seriously depleted. A wild animal doesn't have toilets with a sewage system, separating excrements from the environment where they were generated. Strictly speaking, man's way of life has disrupted recycling with the result that crops are lacking in for instance trace elements. What has made it worse, the pharma industry, with chemicals disrupting plants, as was shown long ago when in China experiments were taken to use the massive amount of excrements (after some processing) for fertilizer. Crops were deformed, looked as if having developed cancers, due to the presence of toxins (medicines). So to replenish trace elements, eat fresh seaweeds, from parts of the ocean, not polluted (yet). Knowledgeable organic farmers use seaweed in the compost as crops are more abundant, look better, are more pest resistant, when the soil provides what the plants and trees need. Peace, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Yosy Flug wrote: > wonderful, jan. a delight. > > somehow this reminded me of the best way to catch a rabbit: hide > behind a bush and make the voice of a carrot... evidently you mastered > the imitation of the voice of bird seed lol > > _()_ > in love > > yosy About ten meters from the bench, the doves get plenty of cooked white rice from a restaurant owner / manager or the cook. So that was the perfect occasion to see if the doves could befriended without the "hunger" drive which is obvious at the beach. The doves didn't take risks, they tested if i had intentions to harm them. When one dove was sure there was no such intention, a landing on my knees followed, resulting in many bread balls. Imitation did the rest ;-) These days there's too little room on knees, arms, shoulders and head to accommodate them all so i keep standing and the doves sit in line on the bench, only the impatient rascals still jump on hands, head and shoulders, most learned to wait for their turn but dribble along with the feeding hand a little. Often, a sparrow lands between the doves and takes bread out of hand too. Some doves are smart, they wait for their turn and immediately fly a few positions further in the feeding direction to get a bread ball more often, thinking i don't notice that :-) Peace, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Dear Honored Yosi...I like your letter very much because I like animals. I feed them also daily, and have done so all my life, even when I was in the city. In the city I fed doves on the roof and now I feed geese, ducks, dogs and cats, birds and deer, skunks and so on. Your letter seems propitious, although I am not sure if you are being humorous...but I take it as a sign from God. Just a few days ago I started a new sadhana to CREATION, which to me is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. I thank you for comparing me to birdseed catching birds. Birds represent those who are free - and I need such souls who have some degree of freedom, not the beasts who are totally addicted and attached to the earth, but some who have spirituality and are seeking it. As you cannot teach a beast - because the beast must live many more lifetimes and it is usually a waste of time, but souls truly seeking freedom can only be helped a lot by the guru. I do admit that some come to me that seem hopeless, and after exorcisms, prayer and suffering, they get freed. I love you. Please feel free to advertise your work on my two , which are Woman Thou Art God and MotherGod. Sri Sri Sri Josi, Jai Josi......From Rasa - ecirada Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:27 PM Re: Yamas and Niyamas. Yosy Flug wrote:> wonderful, jan. a delight.> > somehow this reminded me of the best way to catch a rabbit: hide > behind a bush and make the voice of a carrot... evidently you mastered > the imitation of the voice of bird seed lol> > _()_> in love> > yosyAbout ten meters from the bench, the doves get plenty of cooked white rice from a restaurant owner / manager or the cook. So that was the perfect occasion to see if the doves could befriended without the "hunger" drive which is obvious at the beach. The doves didn't take risks, they tested if i had intentions to harm them. When one dove was sure there was no such intention, a landing on my knees followed, resulting in many bread balls. Imitation did the rest ;-)These days there's too little room on knees, arms, shoulders and head to accommodate them all so i keep standing and the doves sit in line on the bench, only the impatient rascals still jump on hands, head and shoulders, most learned to wait for their turn but dribble along with the feeding hand a little. Often, a sparrow lands between the doves and takes bread out of hand too. Some doves are smart, they wait for their turn and immediately fly a few positions further in the feeding direction to get a bread ball more often, thinking i don't notice that :-)Peace,Jan/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 , ecirada <ecirada> wrote: > > > In most parts of the world, the soil has been seriously depleted. A wild > animal doesn't have toilets with a sewage system, separating excrements > from the environment where they were generated. Strictly speaking, man's > way of life has disrupted recycling with the result that crops are > lacking in for instance trace elements. What has made it worse, the > pharma industry, with chemicals disrupting plants, as was shown long ago > when in China experiments were taken to use the massive amount of > excrements (after some processing) for fertilizer. Crops were deformed, > looked as if having developed cancers, due to the presence of toxins > (medicines). > > So to replenish trace elements, eat fresh seaweeds, from parts of the > ocean, not polluted (yet). Knowledgeable organic farmers use seaweed in > the compost as crops are more abundant, look better, are more pest > resistant, when the soil provides what the plants and trees need. > > Peace, > Jan Hey Jan, thanks for the info. Too bad toasted nori doesn't count...the kids and I really like that stuff. What you said tells me it is more likely the amount of blue-green algae I've been eating for a while than my few visits to the ocean, that's been getting my hair back to normal. Peace to you too, and thanks for sharing about the doves, Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 wonderful, jan. a delight. somehow this reminded me of the best way to catch a rabbit: hide behind a bush and make the voice of a carrot... evidently you mastered the imitation of the voice of bird seed lol _()_ in love yosy [] On Behalf Of eciradaSent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:29 PMTo: Subject: Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Yamas and Niyamas.Harsha wrote: v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } ..shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } Jan, that’s a beautiful picture! With your permission, I would like to use it on the HS website. Love to all Harsha[...]Permission granted Harsha. In case the turnstones can't be seen well, the original pic is larger, 1280*1024.At another location, where benches are available, often pics are taken by tourists as there the doves havebecome affectionate, which surprises many because according to "experts" the animals can't be domesticated.Peace,Jan Attachment: [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 dear rasa and jan, friends. "where there is honey - ants will gather" as the indian saying goes. when one is emptied from identifications, from "me" and "mine", the sweetness of the ever-present self shines through, acting like a magnet, attracting and feeding all with the nectar of unconditional love - whatever their name and form. be it human, animal, bird or plant... or even what appears as inanimate. may all find sustenance in your presence! yosy [] On Behalf Of rasa (AT) womanthouartgod (DOT) comSent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:41 PMTo: Subject: Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Yamas and Niyamas. Dear Honored Yosi...I like your letter very much because I like animals. I feed them also daily, and have done so all my life, even when I was in the city. In the city I fed doves on the roof and now I feed geese, ducks, dogs and cats, birds and deer, skunks and so on. Your letter seems propitious, although I am not sure if you are being humorous...but I take it as a sign from God. Just a few days ago I started a new sadhana to CREATION, which to me is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. I thank you for comparing me to birdseed catching birds. Birds represent those who are free - and I need such souls who have some degree of freedom, not the beasts who are totally addicted and attached to the earth, but some who have spirituality and are seeking it. As you cannot teach a beast - because the beast must live many more lifetimes and it is usually a waste of time, but souls truly seeking freedom can only be helped a lot by the guru. I do admit that some come to me that seem hopeless, and after exorcisms, prayer and suffering, they get freed. I love you. Please feel free to advertise your work on my two , which are Woman Thou Art God and MotherGod. Sri Sri Sri Josi, Jai Josi......From Rasa - ecirada Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:27 PM Re: Yamas and Niyamas. Yosy Flug wrote:> wonderful, jan. a delight.> > somehow this reminded me of the best way to catch a rabbit: hide > behind a bush and make the voice of a carrot... evidently you mastered > the imitation of the voice of bird seed lol> > _()_> in love> > yosyAbout ten meters from the bench, the doves get plenty of cooked white rice from a restaurant owner / manager or the cook. So that was the perfect occasion to see if the doves could befriended without the "hunger" drive which is obvious at the beach. The doves didn't take risks, they tested if i had intentions to harm them. When one dove was sure there was no such intention, a landing on my knees followed, resulting in many bread balls. Imitation did the rest ;-)These days there's too little room on knees, arms, shoulders and head to accommodate them all so i keep standing and the doves sit in line on the bench, only the impatient rascals still jump on hands, head and shoulders, most learned to wait for their turn but dribble along with the feeding hand a little. Often, a sparrow lands between the doves and takes bread out of hand too. Some doves are smart, they wait for their turn and immediately fly a few positions further in the feeding direction to get a bread ball more often, thinking i don't notice that :-)Peace,Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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