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RamanaMaharshi, venkata ramana sarma podury

<rpodury@g...> wrote:

>

> (below): on having one Guru and accepting "His" word as law: My

comment....all well and good if your Guru is Bhagavan Ramana

Maharshi, but disciples of "false" Gurus may have the same attitude

toward their particular Guru. Thus, [my conclusion]. Don't suspend

your right to think for yourself out of blind faith in Gurus. That's

my .02 [ruppees if you are from India]. The fact that Bhagavan may

pass the acid tests for all criteria of Guruship for people accessing

this forum doesn't say much for people on other forums having faith

in (say): Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Sai Baba, etc; since they say the

same thing about their particular Guru: Guru is God, Guru's word is

law. Is this ALWAYS true? I doubt it. ....Matrix Monitor Gary.

 

> You wrote

>

> "Teachers give warnings for almost everything. some say if you

> meditate on the third eye you will go bonkers-----''

>

> Some how I cannot equate Sri Ramana with " Teachers who give

warnings for

> almost every thing"

>

> He always advised Self-Inquiry. To those who are not ripe to take

up that

> and who said that they were finding it difficult to follow Self-

Inquiry he

> used to suggest them to continue what they were doing.

>

> From the way he replied to devotees, his replies always were meant

for the

> specific questioner keeping in view the stage of saadhana the

devotee was

> in.

>

> When I accept Him as Guru his word is everything for me. If He said

> Pranayama should be used only for limited purposes, as I already

mentioned,

> it is God's word for me. I always question myself how Sri Bagavan

expects me

> to do my saadhana. At times even if I deviate I remeber His words

and try to

> follow his advice. The greatest respect I can pay to my Guru is to

follow

> his teachings in thought, word and deed. I want to use the few

years left

> on this earth to do saadhana as suggested by Him and I do not want

to lose

> time in experimenting with teachings of diffeent teachers. As Sri

> Ramakrishna said- if we dig too many pits we may not go far and

instead go

> deep in one to find the treasure.

>

> I blieve that getting such faith in one Guru is a blessing

bestowed by

> Him.

>

> Jai Sri Ramana

> Ramana Sarma

[Guest guest]

Dear Gary:

IMO it does not matter if you worship a false or impure Guru. If have

great devotion you will be directed toward a Guru who will free you.

Anyway, should we be focused on our oun purity and practice and not

be so concerned with whether or not someone else is pure? Are we so

pure that we can judge someone else? As Nisargadatta has said, they

are just not finished yet.

Love,

W

 

RamanaMaharshi, "matrixmonitor" <matrixmonitor>

wrote:

> RamanaMaharshi, venkata ramana sarma podury

> <rpodury@g...> wrote:

> >

> > (below): on having one Guru and accepting "His" word as law: My

> comment....all well and good if your Guru is Bhagavan Ramana

> Maharshi, but disciples of "false" Gurus may have the same attitude

> toward their particular Guru. Thus, [my conclusion]. Don't suspend

> your right to think for yourself out of blind faith in Gurus.

That's

> my .02 [ruppees if you are from India]. The fact that Bhagavan may

> pass the acid tests for all criteria of Guruship for people

accessing

> this forum doesn't say much for people on other forums having faith

> in (say): Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Sai Baba, etc; since they say the

> same thing about their particular Guru: Guru is God, Guru's word is

> law. Is this ALWAYS true? I doubt it. ....Matrix Monitor

Gary.

>

> > You wrote

> >

> > "Teachers give warnings for almost everything. some say if you

> > meditate on the third eye you will go bonkers-----''

> >

> > Some how I cannot equate Sri Ramana with " Teachers who give

> warnings for

> > almost every thing"

> >

> > He always advised Self-Inquiry. To those who are not ripe to take

> up that

> > and who said that they were finding it difficult to follow Self-

> Inquiry he

> > used to suggest them to continue what they were doing.

> >

> > From the way he replied to devotees, his replies always were

meant

> for the

> > specific questioner keeping in view the stage of saadhana the

> devotee was

> > in.

> >

> > When I accept Him as Guru his word is everything for me. If He

said

> > Pranayama should be used only for limited purposes, as I already

> mentioned,

> > it is God's word for me. I always question myself how Sri Bagavan

> expects me

> > to do my saadhana. At times even if I deviate I remeber His words

> and try to

> > follow his advice. The greatest respect I can pay to my Guru is

to

> follow

> > his teachings in thought, word and deed. I want to use the few

> years left

> > on this earth to do saadhana as suggested by Him and I do not

want

> to lose

> > time in experimenting with teachings of diffeent teachers. As

Sri

> > Ramakrishna said- if we dig too many pits we may not go far and

> instead go

> > deep in one to find the treasure.

> >

> > I blieve that getting such faith in one Guru is a blessing

> bestowed by

> > Him.

> >

> > Jai Sri Ramana

> > Ramana Sarma

[Guest guest]

--- To Alton: This is what I meant by the "I don't know and I don't

care" approach (i.e. Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramesh Balsekar, and the

latter's followers such as Ram Tzu, etc) but let me explain lest

these terms be misinterpreted. It has to do with "others"; in a

nutshell, there are two purely relative approaches, having to do with

the objective of spreading the Dharma: passive, and active. In the

passive approach, the position is that one's Awareness alone is

sufficient for assisting others (knowing about Ramana Maharshi) in

becoming aware of the benefits of devotion to Bhagavan.; and for

people in this mode, there's no knowledge of "anything else" (from

aardvarks to zithers, to various Gurus) that is beneficial; i.e. do

the Self-Inquiry and mind your own business.

 

I have experimented with an alternative approach, the "active" mode,

which aims to go out into the world, gain knowledge in a wide variety

of subjects, find out about all teachings, all Dharma's, religions,

traditions, etc; and all of this peripheral knowledge becomes quite

valuable in establishing a bridge to people stranded in those cosmic

realms, berift of the great benefits we know about: devotion to

Bhagavan. This "active" mode is in stark contrast to Nisargadatta's

approach (along with Ramesh Balsakar and his followers).

From the point of view of the Self, but positions are irrelevant;

but the active mode is superior for a particular desire, a Siddhi if

you will: assisting "outsiders" in becoming aware of Bhagavan.

I will go into this more in the future; regarding my "experiments"

with people in other forums, but the idea is to introduce Bhagavan,

(if only the PICTURE at http://www.arunachala.org); but better yet,

convince them that it's in their best interests to get the CD audios

and the video's!. I have to sign off now but I've had a certain

degree of success at this, although quite small in terms of numbers,

but the numbers will grow....eventually to snowball into a worldwide

conflagration of the entire world getting sucked into Bhagavan's

Presence.

 

To Nisargadatta Maharaj, I say fine, you go your way and I'll go

mine. ...Gary

 

 

In RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Dear Gary:

> IMO it does not matter if you worship a false or impure Guru. If

have

> great devotion you will be directed toward a Guru who will free you.

> Anyway, should we be focused on our oun purity and practice and not

> be so concerned with whether or not someone else is pure? Are we so

> pure that we can judge someone else? As Nisargadatta has said, they

> are just not finished yet.

> Love,

> W

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "matrixmonitor" <matrixmonitor>

> wrote:

> > RamanaMaharshi, venkata ramana sarma podury

> > <rpodury@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > (below): on having one Guru and accepting "His" word as law: My

> > comment....all well and good if your Guru is Bhagavan Ramana

> > Maharshi, but disciples of "false" Gurus may have the same

attitude

> > toward their particular Guru. Thus, [my conclusion]. Don't

suspend

> > your right to think for yourself out of blind faith in Gurus.

> That's

> > my .02 [ruppees if you are from India]. The fact that Bhagavan

may

> > pass the acid tests for all criteria of Guruship for people

> accessing

> > this forum doesn't say much for people on other forums having

faith

> > in (say): Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Sai Baba, etc; since they say

the

> > same thing about their particular Guru: Guru is God, Guru's word

is

> > law. Is this ALWAYS true? I doubt it. ....Matrix Monitor

> Gary.

> >

> > > You wrote

> > >

> > > "Teachers give warnings for almost everything. some say if you

> > > meditate on the third eye you will go bonkers-----''

> > >

> > > Some how I cannot equate Sri Ramana with " Teachers who give

> > warnings for

> > > almost every thing"

> > >

> > > He always advised Self-Inquiry. To those who are not ripe to

take

> > up that

> > > and who said that they were finding it difficult to follow Self-

> > Inquiry he

> > > used to suggest them to continue what they were doing.

> > >

> > > From the way he replied to devotees, his replies always were

> meant

> > for the

> > > specific questioner keeping in view the stage of saadhana the

> > devotee was

> > > in.

> > >

> > > When I accept Him as Guru his word is everything for me. If He

> said

> > > Pranayama should be used only for limited purposes, as I

already

> > mentioned,

> > > it is God's word for me. I always question myself how Sri

Bagavan

> > expects me

> > > to do my saadhana. At times even if I deviate I remeber His

words

> > and try to

> > > follow his advice. The greatest respect I can pay to my Guru is

> to

> > follow

> > > his teachings in thought, word and deed. I want to use the few

> > years left

> > > on this earth to do saadhana as suggested by Him and I do not

> want

> > to lose

> > > time in experimenting with teachings of diffeent teachers. As

> Sri

> > > Ramakrishna said- if we dig too many pits we may not go far

and

> > instead go

> > > deep in one to find the treasure.

> > >

> > > I blieve that getting such faith in one Guru is a blessing

> > bestowed by

> > > Him.

> > >

> > > Jai Sri Ramana

> > > Ramana Sarma

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Dear Gary:

I have to admit that I am not too bright, so I really dont quite

understand what you have presented below. I have read Nisargadatta

expensively and dont really see the difference between the two except

Sri Ramana seems to be more into God and devotion and Nisardagatta

seems to give very specific specific instuctions for the spiritual

quest of the absolute. Also Nisargadatta turned down the possibility

of an ashram. Is that what you mean?

I met Balsekar and he said that Nisargadatta did not do initiations

and then I read a first hand account that he did. Balsekar refused my

request for inititiation.

I am a member or your group but I dont seem to even handle the other

few groups I belong to. If you could repost anything interesting here

that would be great. TIA

Love,

Bewusstsein means awareness.

[Guest guest]

Deal Alton,

 

One point:

 

I would say that since Ramana mainly instructed seekers in inquiry

that his main form was Self-inquiry (vichara), not

surrender/devotion.

 

Example from "Talks," # 27 4 Feb 1937

 

D.: How are they to be practiced?

M.: ... Hence inquiry (vichara) is the first and foremost step to be

taken. When vichara continues automatically, it results in a contempt

for wealth, fame, ease, pleasure, etc. The 'I'-thought becomes

clearer for inspection. The source of 'I' is the Heart--the final

goal. If, however, the asparant is not tempermentally suited to

Vichara Marffa, he must develop bhakti (devotion) to an ideal--may be

God, Guru, humanity in general, ethical laws, or even to the idea of

beauty. ...

 

We are Not two,

Richard

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Dear Gary:

> I have to admit that I am not too bright, so I really dont quite

> understand what you have presented below. I have read Nisargadatta

> expensively and dont really see the difference between the two

except

> Sri Ramana seems to be more into God and devotion and Nisardagatta

> seems to give very specific specific instuctions for the spiritual

> quest of the absolute. Also Nisargadatta turned down the

possibility

> of an ashram. Is that what you mean?

> I met Balsekar and he said that Nisargadatta did not do initiations

> and then I read a first hand account that he did. Balsekar refused

my

> request for inititiation.

> I am a member or your group but I dont seem to even handle the

other

> few groups I belong to. If you could repost anything interesting

here

> that would be great. TIA

> Love,

> Bewusstsein means awareness.

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Get it straight. Read upadaisha-sAra, or Nan Yar. There are TWO paths, one

called vichAra, and the other bhakti; and an auxiliary called prANAyAma.

Your devotion to jnAna-yauga does not preclude some bhakta's total love of

Bhagavan, which leads to savikalpa-samAdhi.

Please describe 'your' experience.

 

 

 

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gurubhakti means total commitment to a teacher, whether it is Baba Ram Dass

or Ramana Maharshi or a fraud like Paul Brunton. bhakti, or unreserved

love, works on Satan itself.

 

 

 

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a true teachertakes what you do not haveand gives youwhat is always

yours.this is whythe sagecan do his workand slip awayunperceived.real

masters are like thieves:only the ones caughtare known.the

bestremainhidden.yet their blessed presencethough

unrecognizedcontinuously sustainsthe world._()_in loveyosy