Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Tony OClery wrote: > > advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote: > > How can you tell if your samadhi was Nirvikalpa or Yoga Nidra? In one > there is no mind operating and in the other it is in abeyance. As > there is no memory associated with either it is no doubt hard to > tell. It is simple Tony. Coming out of Yoga Nidra, you are awake to the world seeing the yoga nidra as a separate experience that happened to you. When you come out of Nirvikalpa Samadhi, you see that you are still in Nirvikalpa Samadhi! :-). Oh my God! It is only Me! Nirvikalpa is not separate from you, it is you. Our nature is Nirvikalpa. What is Nirvikalpa Samadhi? It is a fancy term for Self-Knowledge, Self-Realization, Self-Recognition, etc. In the absence of thoughts, when the mind is merged in the Heart, the state is pure Sat-Chit-Ananda. Beyond memory, beyond the world, pure in itself, Self-Knowing. Coming out, still the same essential being...except for thoughts, perceptions, experiences, etc. The mind rooted in the essential being is really the essential being rooted in itself.......the samadhi then becomes Sahaj, despite the appearance of contamination with thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 , Harsha wrote: > Tony OClery wrote: > > > > > advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > How can you tell if your samadhi was Nirvikalpa or Yoga Nidra? In one > > there is no mind operating and in the other it is in abeyance. As > > there is no memory associated with either it is no doubt hard to > > tell. > > It is simple Tony. Coming out of Yoga Nidra, you are awake to the world > seeing the yoga nidra as a separate experience that happened to you. > When you come out of Nirvikalpa Samadhi, you see that you are still in > Nirvikalpa Samadhi! :-). > > Oh my God! It is only Me! > > Nirvikalpa is not separate from you, it is you. Our nature is > Nirvikalpa. What is Nirvikalpa Samadhi? It is a fancy term for > Self-Knowledge, Self-Realization, Self-Recognition, etc. In the absence > of thoughts, when the mind is merged in the Heart, the state is pure > Sat-Chit-Ananda. Beyond memory, beyond the world, pure in itself, > Self-Knowing. Coming out, still the same essential being...except for > thoughts, perceptions, experiences, etc. The mind rooted in the > essential being is really the essential being rooted in itself.......the > samadhi then becomes Sahaj, despite the appearance of contamination with > thoughts. Namaste H, This is where I differ in opinion. Sat-Cit-Ananda are to me 'qualities' as Ramana would say and does say. Qualities and attributes are the same, so we are talking of something experiential whether it seems to be universal or not. i.e. Saguna Brahman. Whereas with me I consider Saguna Brahman, The Self, Sat-Cit-Ananda or anything to do with this creation, as unreal and never having ever happened, even in appearance. So to me the rope and snake is total unhappening, both didn't happen in the first place...Saguna is Self Knowing and therefore is unreal.......Just Nir guna........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Existence consciousness bliss Ramana says first things first, or in essence first things only. Existence is bliss, whether with or without thoughts, whether alone or room-filled. Simply, it is an allowing, and it allows everything, both that thought within you, or without. The allowing space, a Ramana follower might ask, who allows? Well, it allows him or her too. because simply, underlying it all, is love, and love is very very allowing. The never-ending loops of thoughts, which reinforce "me", dont necessarily go away, for it always goes back to the allowing space, the loving space. Some say that it is fully impersonal, for within that space there is no differenciation, and it just opens up to whatever and whoever is here. True. And yet to Christ or Ghandi it is extremely personal, asking fully what and who am I here with. It's so personal that Papaji can join someone in satsang and cry. Perhaps he doesnt feel it the same way, as suffering, but the space is so allowing, it allows both the personal and impersonal as well. We cannot excape from our experience, however we try, because just as we are here now, so there is some experience. All it really means, is start here, with whatever and whoever you are here with, and if the experience is formless ir not, the love allows both as well. If its something else, then it is a destination, and a journey is involved, and this becomes another drama, another story. Who and what am I here with. Allowing it all, the space just opens up and opens up, and bliss ensues. And if no bliss, allow that as well. Love to you. Michael --- Harsha wrote: > > Tony OClery wrote: > > > > > advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > How can you tell if your samadhi was Nirvikalpa or > Yoga Nidra? In one > > there is no mind operating and in the other it is > in abeyance. As > > there is no memory associated with either it is no > doubt hard to > > tell. > > It is simple Tony. Coming out of Yoga Nidra, you are > awake to the world > seeing the yoga nidra as a separate experience that > happened to you. > When you come out of Nirvikalpa Samadhi, you see > that you are still in > Nirvikalpa Samadhi! :-). > > Oh my God! It is only Me! > > Nirvikalpa is not separate from you, it is you. Our > nature is > Nirvikalpa. What is Nirvikalpa Samadhi? It is a > fancy term for > Self-Knowledge, Self-Realization, Self-Recognition, > etc. In the absence > of thoughts, when the mind is merged in the Heart, > the state is pure > Sat-Chit-Ananda. Beyond memory, beyond the world, > pure in itself, > Self-Knowing. Coming out, still the same essential > being...except for > thoughts, perceptions, experiences, etc. The mind > rooted in the > essential being is really the essential being rooted > in itself.......the > samadhi then becomes Sahaj, despite the appearance > of contamination with > thoughts. > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Has someone you know been affected by illness or > disease? > Network for Good is THE place to support health > awareness efforts! > http://us.click./rkgkPB/UOnJAA/Zx0JAA/bpSolB/TM > --~-> > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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