Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 THE MAHARSHI May/June 2001Vol. 11 - No. 3 Produced & Edited byDennis HartelDr. Anil K. Sharma Letters and Comments I was wondering if someone could help clarify a confusion I have over one of Ramana's points. He states that we are not the doers.... Yet, if we are not the doers, then who is, if all is one consciousness? I have heard from the Advaita side that because we are not the doers, then apparently we are not responsible for our actions.... How can this not be a harmful teaching? Haven't all the religions and countless masters encouraged people to act in loving ways? I would really appreciate any guidance whatsoever. Thank you and blessings to you... - An American Seeker The teaching is correct: "We are not the doers." But as long as we live an ego-centered life we are unable to experience the truth of this teaching and will have to suffer the consequences of our actions. That is called the Law of Karma. Once we completely surrender to the Higher Power, or completely efface the ego by Self-enquiry and realize the Self, we know for certain that we are not the doer. It is an ever-present experience. Up to this point we must make effort to realize the truth that we cannot, in fact, make any efforts, that we are only tools in the the hands of the Higher Power. Such are the contradictions in verbalizing spiritual truths. No true teacher will ever say you are not responsible for your actions. Only when individuality is lost, when we are fixed in the realization of the One Reality, are we not responsible for our actions. In that state there is no one but the Higher Power to be responsible - Editor Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 , michael bindel <michael_bindel> wrote: > > THE MAHARSHI > > > > > > > May/June 2001 > Vol. 11 - No. 3 > > > > Produced & Edited by > Dennis Hartel > Dr. Anil K. Sharma > > > > > > Letters and Comments > > I was wondering if someone could help clarify a confusion I have over one of Ramana's points. > > He states that we are not the doers.... Yet, if we are not the doers, then who is, if all is one consciousness? > > I have heard from the Advaita side that because we are not the doers, then apparently we are not responsible for our actions.... How can this not be a harmful teaching? Haven't all the religions and countless masters encouraged people to act in loving ways? > > I would really appreciate any guidance whatsoever. Thank you and blessings to you... > > - An American Seeker > > The teaching is correct: "We are not the doers." But as long as we live an ego-centered life we are unable to experience the truth of this teaching and will have to suffer the consequences of our actions. That is called the Law of Karma. > > Once we completely surrender to the Higher Power, or completely efface the ego by Self-enquiry and realize the Self, we know for certain that we are not the doer. It is an ever-present experience. Up to this point we must make effort to realize the truth that we cannot, in fact, make any efforts, that we are only tools in the the hands of the Higher Power. Such are the contradictions in verbalizing spiritual truths. > > No true teacher will ever say you are not responsible for your >actions. Only when individuality is lost, when we are fixed in the >realization of the One Reality, are we not responsible for our >actions. In that state there is no one but the Higher Power to be >responsible - Editor The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego "surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). The imaginary ego is imaginary from the start. It's already non-existent; like Santa Claus and unicorns, etc. To say that the imaginary ego has to do something in order to realize it is imaginary is absurd. The imaginary ego cannot "realize" anything. Furthermore, the imaginary ego cannot be held responsible for actions which it is incapable of committing (again, because it is imaginary). There is no doer; no "you". It's the old rope/snake trick. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 , yosyflug <yosyflug@i...> wrote: > > ***SNIP*** > > - > Harsha > > Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM > Re: Re: letters and comments > > > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego > "surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). > Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego? > > > Hey Fuzzie, > You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! > > a.)) > > Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted?? > > S ;-) > > > Any/all whose who of Who's ) > > (raising left eyebrow up since I gave up fluttering last month:)) > > > You know I think owls are all advaita teachers... always saying .. who?.. who?... who?... > > You have heard I suppose of the famous register of Famous People..."Who's who"... > > now there is a new one for advaitins... "Who's not!" > > Problem is if you want your name in it you are automatically excluded.... just tip toe by whistling casually... > > Cheers...S > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ) > > "i belong to a club which is so selective and exclusive" said nasrudin, "that whoever considers himself a member, is instantly and automatically expelled." > > yosy That's a variation on Groucho Marx's old gag line: "I'd never belong to any club that would have someone like me as a member." fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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