Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 - fuzzie_wuz Monday, May 23, 2005 10:08 AM Re: letters and comments , michael bindel<michael_bindel> wrote:> > THE MAHARSHI> > > > > > > May/June 2001> Vol. 11 - No. 3> > > > Produced & Edited by> Dennis Hartel> Dr. Anil K. Sharma> > > > > > Letters and Comments> > I was wondering if someone could help clarify a confusion I haveover one of Ramana's points. > > He states that we are not the doers.... Yet, if we are not thedoers, then who is, if all is one consciousness? > > I have heard from the Advaita side that because we are not thedoers, then apparently we are not responsible for our actions.... Howcan this not be a harmful teaching? Haven't all the religions andcountless masters encouraged people to act in loving ways? > > I would really appreciate any guidance whatsoever. Thank you andblessings to you... > > - An American Seeker > > The teaching is correct: "We are not the doers." But as long as welive an ego-centered life we are unable to experience the truth ofthis teaching and will have to suffer the consequences of our actions.That is called the Law of Karma. > > Once we completely surrender to the Higher Power, or completelyefface the ego by Self-enquiry and realize the Self, we know forcertain that we are not the doer. It is an ever-present experience. Upto this point we must make effort to realize the truth that we cannot,in fact, make any efforts, that we are only tools in the the hands ofthe Higher Power. Such are the contradictions in verbalizing spiritualtruths. > > No true teacher will ever say you are not responsible for your>actions. Only when individuality is lost, when we are fixed in the>realization of the One Reality, are we not responsible for our>actions. In that state there is no one but the Higher Power to be>responsible - EditorThe imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Theimaginary ego is imaginary from the start. It's already non-existent;like Santa Claus and unicorns, etc. To say that the imaginary ego hasto do something in order to realize it is imaginary is absurd. Theimaginary ego cannot "realize" anything. Furthermore, the imaginaryego cannot be held responsible for actions which it is incapable ofcommitting (again, because it is imaginary). There is no doer; no "you". It's the old rope/snake trick. :)fuzzie Fuzzie my dear, Perhap This is where you and I are n longer "joined at the hip", so to speak. No, I can not imagine it would be so. When the no-doer, no 'you' is Seen as the play of the One Seerer, ie Seeing, the Seeing is the Doing.... With full vision of how, what, why, when and where. It is Responsibility in action, arising moment-to-moment in the right-here-ness of the right-now-ness in the absolute Presence of This, the I Am, again receding in/as Nothing. Filling, emptying, filling, emptying. It is the Love of the Universe for Itself. It is the Work of the Siddhas. It is the Bliss of nothing/everything. It is the You and I of We--This. a. /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego "surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 - Harsha Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM Re: Re: letters and comments fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie, You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! a.)) /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 - Anna Ruiz Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Harsha Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM Re: Re: letters and comments fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie, You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! a.)) Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted?? S ;-) /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 - Sam Monday, May 23, 2005 12:26 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Anna Ruiz Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Harsha Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM Re: Re: letters and comments fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie, You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! a.)) Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted?? S ;-) Any/all whose who of Who's ) (raising left eybrow up since I gave up fluttering last month:)) /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 - Anna Ruiz Monday, May 23, 2005 6:40 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Sam Monday, May 23, 2005 12:26 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Anna Ruiz Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Harsha Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM Re: Re: letters and comments fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie, You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! a.)) Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted?? S ;-) Any/all whose who of Who's ) (raising left eyebrow up since I gave up fluttering last month:)) You know I think owls are all advaita teachers... always saying .. who?.. who?... who?... You have heard I suppose of the famous register of Famous People..."Who's who"... now there is a new one for advaitins... "Who's not!" Problem is if you want your name in it you are automatically excluded.... just tip toe by whistling casually... Cheers...S /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 it wasn't nasrudin... it was groucho marx.. (naah) .. groucho said : 'I wouldn't join any club that would have me as one of it's members'.... samiam - yosyflug Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:28 AM Re: Re: letters and comments - Sam Monday, May 23, 2005 12:26 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Anna Ruiz Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Harsha Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM Re: Re: letters and comments fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie, You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! a.)) Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted?? S ;-) Any/all whose who of Who's ) (raising left eyebrow up since I gave up fluttering last month:)) You know I think owls are all advaita teachers... always saying .. who?.. who?... who?... You have heard I suppose of the famous register of Famous People..."Who's who"... now there is a new one for advaitins... "Who's not!" Problem is if you want your name in it you are automatically excluded.... just tip toe by whistling casually... Cheers...S ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ) "i belong to a club which is so selective and exclusive" said nasrudin, "that whoever considers himself a member, is instantly and automatically expelled." yosy/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 - Sam Monday, May 23, 2005 12:26 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Anna Ruiz Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Harsha Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM Re: Re: letters and comments fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie, You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! a.)) Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted?? S ;-) Any/all whose who of Who's ) (raising left eyebrow up since I gave up fluttering last month:)) You know I think owls are all advaita teachers... always saying .. who?.. who?... who?... You have heard I suppose of the famous register of Famous People..."Who's who"... now there is a new one for advaitins... "Who's not!" Problem is if you want your name in it you are automatically excluded.... just tip toe by whistling casually... Cheers...S ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ) "i belong to a club which is so selective and exclusive" said nasrudin, "that whoever considers himself a member, is instantly and automatically expelled." yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 alike but not the same... groucho said one thing, nasrudin another. groucho wrote a letter to an anti-semitic country club, which refused to accept his daughter who wanted to go to the swimming pool, asking: "could she get in the water up to her waist? she is only half jewish..." quite a nasrudin character, groucho... yosy - Sam Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:07 AM Re: Re: letters and comments it wasn't nasrudin... it was groucho marx.. (naah) .. groucho said : 'I wouldn't join any club that would have me as one of it's members'.... samiam - yosyflug Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:28 AM Re: Re: letters and comments - Sam Monday, May 23, 2005 12:26 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Anna Ruiz Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM Re: Re: letters and comments - Harsha Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM Re: Re: letters and comments fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power"). Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie, You have been 'served'; you're busted!!! a.)) Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted?? S ;-) Any/all whose who of Who's ) (raising left eyebrow up since I gave up fluttering last month:)) You know I think owls are all advaita teachers... always saying .. who?.. who?... who?... You have heard I suppose of the famous register of Famous People..."Who's who"... now there is a new one for advaitins... "Who's not!" Problem is if you want your name in it you are automatically excluded.... just tip toe by whistling casually... Cheers...S ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ) "i belong to a club which is so selective and exclusive" said nasrudin, "that whoever considers himself a member, is instantly and automatically expelled." yosy/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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