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, "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:

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> Harsha

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> Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM

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> fuzzie_wuz wrote:

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> The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego

> "surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power").

> Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?

>

>

> Hey Fuzzie,

> You have been 'served'; you're busted!!!

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> a.:)))

 

Only in your dreams, sweetheart...

 

:)

 

fuzzie

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Groucho was reported to have attended a session at a spiritualist..

let's say Madame Lazonga.. she sat on a dais clothed in flowing

robes..

One of her attendants turned towards the audience and said in a

pompous voice Madame Lazonga will now answeer your questions.": To

which Graucho replied; "What's the capital of NorthDakota?"

cheers...

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yosyflug

Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:55 AM

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alike but not the same... groucho said one thing, nasrudin another.

:) groucho wrote a letter to an anti-semitic country club, which

refused to accept his daughter who wanted to go to the swimming pool,

asking: "could she get in the water up to her waist? she is only half

jewish..."

quite a nasrudin character, groucho...

yosy

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Sam

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:07 AM

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it wasn't nasrudin... it was groucho marx.. (naah) .. groucho said :

'I wouldn't join any club that would have me as one of it's

members'....

samiam

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yosyflug

Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:28 AM

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Sam

Monday, May 23, 2005 12:26 PM

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Anna Ruiz

Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM

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Harsha

Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04 PM

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fuzzie_wuz wrote: The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the

imaginary ego"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher

Power").

Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?Hey Fuzzie,

You have been 'served'; you're busted!!!

a.:)))

Oh please, please (fluttering eyelashes) who is busted??

S ;-)

Any/all whose who of Who's :))

(raising left eyebrow up since I gave up fluttering last month:))

You know I think owls are all advaita teachers... always saying .. who?.. who?... who?...

You have heard I suppose of the famous register of Famous People..."Who's who"...

now there is a new one for advaitins... "Who's not!"

Problem is if you want your name in it you are automatically

excluded.... just tip toe by whistling casually...

Cheers...S

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

:))

"i belong to a club which is so selective and exclusive" said

nasrudin, "that whoever considers himself a member, is instantly and

automatically expelled."

yosy/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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"Love itself

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Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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fuzzie_wuz

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:43 AM

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, "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...>

wrote:> > - > fuzzie_wuz > To:

> Monday, May 23, 2005 10:08

AM> Re: letters and

comments> > > , michael

bindel> <michael_bindel> wrote:> > > > THE MAHARSHI> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

May/June 2001> > Vol. 11 - No. 3> > > > > > > > Produced &

Edited by> > Dennis Hartel> > Dr. Anil K. Sharma> > > > >

> > > > > > > Letters and Comments> > > > I was wondering

if someone could help clarify a confusion I have> over one of

Ramana's points. > > > > He states that we are not the doers....

Yet, if we are not the> doers, then who is, if all is one

consciousness? > > > > I have heard from the Advaita side that

because we are not the> doers, then apparently we are not

responsible for our actions.... How> can this not be a harmful

teaching? Haven't all the religions and> countless masters

encouraged people to act in loving ways? > > > > I would really

appreciate any guidance whatsoever. Thank you and> blessings to

you... > > > > - An American Seeker > > > > The teaching is

correct: "We are not the doers." But as long as we> live an

ego-centered life we are unable to experience the truth of> this

teaching and will have to suffer the consequences of our actions.>

That is called the Law of Karma. > > > > Once we completely

surrender to the Higher Power, or completely> efface the ego by

Self-enquiry and realize the Self, we know for> certain that we are

not the doer. It is an ever-present experience. Up> to this point we

must make effort to realize the truth that we cannot,> in fact, make

any efforts, that we are only tools in the the hands of> the Higher

Power. Such are the contradictions in verbalizing spiritual>

truths. > > > > No true teacher will ever say you are not

responsible for your> >actions. Only when individuality is lost,

when we are fixed in the> >realization of the One Reality, are we

not responsible for our> >actions. In that state there is no one

but the Higher Power to be> >responsible - Editor> > > The

imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego>

"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power").

The> imaginary ego is imaginary from the start. It's already

non-existent;> like Santa Claus and unicorns, etc. To say that the

imaginary ego has> to do something in order to realize it is

imaginary is absurd. The> imaginary ego cannot "realize" anything.

Furthermore, the imaginary> ego cannot be held responsible for

actions which it is incapable of> committing (again, because it is

imaginary). > > There is no doer; no "you". It's the old rope/snake

trick. > > :)> > fuzzie> > > Fuzzie my dear,> > Perhap This is

where you and I are n> longer "joined at the hip", so to speak.>

No, I can not imagine it would be so.> > When the no-doer, no 'you'

is Seen as the play of the One Seerer,ie Seeing, the Seeing is the

Doing....> > With full vision of how, what, why, when and where.

It isResponsibility in action, arising moment-to-moment in

theright-here-ness of the right-now-ness in the absolute Presence of

This,> the I Am, again receding in/as Nothing.> > Filling,

emptying, filling, emptying. > > It is the Love of the Universe

for Itself.> It is the Work of the Siddhas.> It is the Bliss of

nothing/everything.> It is the You and I of We--This.> > a.Dear

Anna: Your posts are often filled with symbolism and metaphor (you

wouldmake a good symbolist poet; Rimbaud and Baudelaire, come to

mind). Theinterpretations can be varied and multitudinous. I find no

inherentdiscrepancies between your post and my previous post.

Perhapssomething has been overlooked... I don't know...:)fuzzie

Dear Fuzzie:

Who is the doer? Who is the Seer?

Who is the One Seen? Who is Fuzzie in this equation? How is Fuzzie Being Seen?

Who is Fuzzie in relationship with? What is the result of Fuzzie "relatiing"?

Just some questions on the nature of "Fuzzie"....

: )

Anna

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is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:43 AM

Re: letters and comments

, "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...>

wrote:> > - > fuzzie_wuz > To:

> Monday, May 23, 2005 10:08

AM> Re: letters and

comments> > > , michael

bindel> <michael_bindel> wrote:> > > > THE MAHARSHI> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

May/June 2001> > Vol. 11 - No. 3> > > > > > > > Produced &

Edited by> > Dennis Hartel> > Dr. Anil K. Sharma> > > > >

> > > > > > > Letters and Comments> > > > I was wondering

if someone could help clarify a confusion I have> over one of

Ramana's points. > > > > He states that we are not the doers....

Yet, if we are not the> doers, then who is, if all is one

consciousness? > > > > I have heard from the Advaita side that

because we are not the> doers, then apparently we are not

responsible for our actions.... How> can this not be a harmful

teaching? Haven't all the religions and> countless masters

encouraged people to act in loving ways? > > > > I would really

appreciate any guidance whatsoever. Thank you and> blessings to

you... > > > > - An American Seeker > > > > The teaching is

correct: "We are not the doers." But as long as we> live an

ego-centered life we are unable to experience the truth of> this

teaching and will have to suffer the consequences of our actions.>

That is called the Law of Karma. > > > > Once we completely

surrender to the Higher Power, or completely> efface the ego by

Self-enquiry and realize the Self, we know for> certain that we are

not the doer. It is an ever-present experience. Up> to this point we

must make effort to realize the truth that we cannot,> in fact, make

any efforts, that we are only tools in the the hands of> the Higher

Power. Such are the contradictions in verbalizing spiritual>

truths. > > > > No true teacher will ever say you are not

responsible for your> >actions. Only when individuality is lost,

when we are fixed in the> >realization of the One Reality, are we

not responsible for our> >actions. In that state there is no one

but the Higher Power to be> >responsible - Editor> > > The

imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego>

"surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power").

The> imaginary ego is imaginary from the start. It's already

non-existent;> like Santa Claus and unicorns, etc. To say that the

imaginary ego has> to do something in order to realize it is

imaginary is absurd. The> imaginary ego cannot "realize" anything.

Furthermore, the imaginary> ego cannot be held responsible for

actions which it is incapable of> committing (again, because it is

imaginary). > > There is no doer; no "you". It's the old rope/snake

trick. > > :)> > fuzzie> > > Fuzzie my dear,> > Perhap This is

where you and I are n> longer "joined at the hip", so to speak.>

No, I can not imagine it would be so.> > When the no-doer, no 'you'

is Seen as the play of the One Seerer,ie Seeing, the Seeing is the

Doing....> > With full vision of how, what, why, when and where.

It isResponsibility in action, arising moment-to-moment in

theright-here-ness of the right-now-ness in the absolute Presence of

This,> the I Am, again receding in/as Nothing.> > Filling,

emptying, filling, emptying. > > It is the Love of the Universe

for Itself.> It is the Work of the Siddhas.> It is the Bliss of

nothing/everything.> It is the You and I of We--This.> > a.Dear

Anna: Your posts are often filled with symbolism and metaphor (you

wouldmake a good symbolist poet; Rimbaud and Baudelaire, come to

mind). Theinterpretations can be varied and multitudinous. I find no

inherentdiscrepancies between your post and my previous post.

Perhapssomething has been overlooked... I don't know...:)fuzzie

Fuzzie, someone made the exact same comment -- can't quite remember who it is. And when I do,

you, Fuzzie, will have been Outed,

so to speak.

No more hiding behind "fuzzie" lines.

Love you to pieces,

Anna

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is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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fuzzie_wuz wrote:

> , Harsha wrote:

> > fuzzie_wuz wrote:

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> > >

> > > The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego

> > > "surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power").

> >

> > Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?

>

>

>

> No one is saying it. It is simply being said. Why attach an imaginary

> entity to it?

>

> :)

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> fuzzie

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You already did in your original statement Fuzzie.

 

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fuzzie_wuz wrote:

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> fuzzie_wuz wrote:

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> The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary

ego

> "surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher

Power").

>

Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?

>

>

> Hey Fuzzie,

> You have been 'served'; you're busted!!!

>

> a.:)))

Only in your dreams, sweetheart...

:)

fuzzie

There you go again Fuzzie. Protecting your imaginary ego. :-).

/join

 

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:03 AM

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Dear Fuzzie:

Who is the doer? Who is the Seer?

Who is the One Seen? Who is Fuzzie in this equation? How is Fuzzie Being Seen?

Who is Fuzzie in relationship with? What is the result of Fuzzie "relatiing"?

Just some questions on the nature of "Fuzzie"....

: )

Anna

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Dear Anna:

Fuzzie wuzzie was a bear

Fuzzie wuzzie had no hair

Fuzzie wuzzie wasn't very fuzzy

Was he???

LOL,

Joyce

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Hello everyone,

 

When replying to a sequence of posts, would you please put your reply

at the top, or snip out the long sequence of posts that you are

responding to and just leave the most recent, as below? Otherwise one

has to scroll down quite a ways to find and read your reply. Thanks,

 

Jill

 

On May 24, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Harsha wrote:

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> >   fuzzie_wuz wrote:

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> >     The imaginary ego cannot "efface" itself nor can the imaginary

> ego

> >     "surrender" to another Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher

> Power").

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> >   Who is saying all this? The imaginary ego?

> >

> >

> >   Hey Fuzzie,

> >   You have been 'served'; you're busted!!!

> >

> >   a.:)))

>

> Only in your dreams, sweetheart...

>

> :)

>

> fuzzie

>

>

> There you go again Fuzzie. Protecting your imaginary ego. :-).

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>

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> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

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> Sri Ramana

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> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

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Lady Joyce

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:19 AM

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Anna Ruiz

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:03 AM

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Dear Fuzzie:

Who is the doer? Who is the Seer?

Who is the One Seen? Who is Fuzzie in this equation? How is Fuzzie Being Seen?

Who is Fuzzie in relationship with? What is the result of Fuzzie "relatiing"?

Just some questions on the nature of "Fuzzie"....

: )

Anna

================================

Dear Anna:

Fuzzie wuzzie was a bear

Fuzzie wuzzie had no hair

Fuzzie wuzzie wasn't very fuzzy

Was he???

LOL,

Joyce

Dear Lady J:

Yeppers,

I do so want to scratch behind his ears, that's always a hard place to get to.....:))

Anna

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Dear Jill,

Thank you for making that excellent point. I would go further and ask

everyone to snip what is not relevant.

Please think of others who are trying to figure out who wrote what.

Hope you are all well

Harsha

Jill Eggers wrote:

Hello everyone,

When replying to a sequence of posts, would you please put your reply

at the top, or snip out the long sequence of posts that you are

responding to and just leave the most recent, as below? Otherwise one

has to scroll down quite a ways to find and read your reply. Thanks,

Jill

On May 24, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Harsha wrote:

There you go again Fuzzie. Protecting your imaginary ego. :-).

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Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:44 AM

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, "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...>

wrote:> > - > Harsha > To:

> Monday, May 23, 2005 12:04

PM> Re: Re: letters and

comments> > > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > The imaginary ego cannot

"efface" itself nor can the imaginary ego> "surrender" to another

Higher Imaginary Ego (aka "Higher Power").> Who is saying all this?

The imaginary ego?> > > Hey Fuzzie,> You have been 'served';

you're busted!!!> > a.:)))Only in your dreams,

sweetheart...:)fuzzie

Ah, so.

Seems we are having the same dream--Precious.

: )

anna

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veryyyy interessstttingggg!!

snip out everyOne's dialogue save your own. Hmmm, wonder what that might accomplish? :)

Talking to oneSelf--I'd say Borrrringggg.....

I love the entire Play with All the Characters, 'cause I know it's me

playing, and I just never know what the other me's are up to.:))))

All is Well that End's Well....

Anna

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Harsha

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:04 AM

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Dear Jill,Thank you for making that excellent point. I would go

further and ask everyone to snip what is not relevant.Please think of

others who are trying to figure out who wrote what.Hope you are all

wellHarshaJill Eggers wrote: Hello everyone, When replying to a

sequence of posts, would you please put your reply at the top, or

snip out the long sequence of posts that you are responding to and

just leave the most recent, as below? Otherwise one has to scroll

down quite a ways to find and read your reply. Thanks, Jill On May

24, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Harsha wrote:

There you go again Fuzzie. Protecting your imaginary ego. :-).

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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