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, "fuzzie_wuz" <fuzzie_wuz>

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> , yosyflug <yosyflug@i...>

wrote:

> >

> > -

> > fuzzie_wuz

> >

> > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:23 PM

> > Re: letters and comments

> >

> >

> >

> > This "no one" is no one. No one to know. No one to seek. There

is only

> > this. Let it be.

> >

> > fuzzie

> >

> >

> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > :)) just can't help wondering how this "no one" fuzzie would

react

> if no one or other would kick it's non-existing butt...

>

> > yosy

>

> Dear Yosy,

>

> How long have you been on this Ramana list? And, you still identify

> yourself with the body?

>

> You can kick this body or even kill it. But, it doesn't touch

> "fuzzie". "Fuzzie" is just a thought, a dream. "Fuzzie" is not this

> body. "Fuzzie" is only in your imagination.

>

> fuzzie>>

 

You go, fuzzie!!

 

In spite of all the endless nondual yacking and quacking that goes on

here and on Nis and GR, you'd think by now that the yosymeister and

her ilk would at least get it conceptually, if not get it REALLY.

 

Then again, you have to remember that the seeds you sow sometimes

fall on soil that's just too rocky to take root.

 

Ah the life of jnani! It just doesn't get any better than This.

 

Do it?

 

All I can say is that "all things are perfectly resolved in the

Unborn."

 

To those who have ears, let them hear.........

 

Gary

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Gary:

All I can say is that "all things are perfectly resolved in the

Unborn."To those who have ears, let them hear.........Gary

Anna:

Now, that "all things are perfectly resolved in the Unborn." is indeed a

difficulty....

I Am/Self is the Known/Born; The I Am- No-Self/Unknown/Unborn

can only be known by the KnownSelf/I Am.

Would/could there be any other vehicle for this Knowing?

Hence the confusion.

The Unborn is the Ground of Being for This, The Known and the Unknown.

The "something" from "nothing".

Non-Duality is the Unborn from which all arises---Duality in all Forms,

All That Is, All That Was, All That Will Be.

I would say the Unborn is the end of the beginning...and the beginning of the end.

The Unborn is also the Seer of the Seeing.

Is this not so?

Again I am as Nasruden, "I know at least 2 Nasrudens, one may say the wisest

of things, the other well, I just never know what is going to come out

of that mouth; the trouble is I never know which Nasruden is speaking."

love,

aka a.

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is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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--- garyfalk1943 <falkgw wrote:

>

> You go, fuzzie!!

>

> In spite of all the endless nondual yacking and

> quacking that goes on

> here and on Nis and GR, you'd think by now that the

> yosymeister and

> her ilk would at least get it conceptually, if not

> get it REALLY.

 

Get what? Who should get what?

> To those who have ears, let them hear.........

>

> Gary

 

To those who have arms, let them wave.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

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lol "two things have no end - stupidity of men and the cosmos; though

i am not sure about the second" (albert einstein)

thank you gary, who evidenty draws all his 'knowledge' from lists,

books and such, for proving the point so nicely... you and fuzzie are

a perfect match indeed.

nasrudin caught a "non-dualist" picking fruit in his orchard. "what

are you doing?" he asked the thief. "nothing" said the cheeky guy,

"the trees, me, the fruit - all is one! so it is just the unity

enjoying its unity..." nasrudin beat him soundly with his stick.

"what are you doing?!" screamed the non-dualist. "nothing, really"

said nasrudin. "all is one - the stick, my hand, your ass... unity

within unity! how can you say "i" am doing anything?" and kept

trashing the bastard...

cleverness is not wisdom... i love clever guys like this who spout

undigested slogans! words come cheap...

yosy (a nightmare-like figment of gary, fuzzie and other clever guys imagination...)

ps. "fuzzie" is a name; and since there is no nameless form or

formless name, it is clear who/what 'fuzzie' identifies with...

fuzzie wuzzie was a bear

fuzzie wuzzie had no hair...

wasn't really very fuzzy,

wuz he?

-

garyfalk1943

Saturday, May 28, 2005 1:18 PM

Re: letters and comments

, "fuzzie_wuz" <fuzzie_wuz>

wrote:> , yosyflug

<yosyflug@i...> wrote:> > > > - > >

fuzzie_wuz > > > > Sent:

Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:23 PM> > [ - Ramana

Guru] Re: letters and comments> > > > > > > > This "no one" is no

one. No one to know. No one to seek. There is only> > this. Let it

be. > > > > fuzzie> > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> > :))

just can't help wondering how this "no one" fuzzie would react> if no

one or other would kick it's non-existing butt...> > > yosy> > Dear

Yosy,> > How long have you been on this Ramana list? And, you still

identify> yourself with the body? > > You can kick this body or even

kill it. But, it doesn't touch> "fuzzie". "Fuzzie" is just a thought,

a dream. "Fuzzie" is not this> body. "Fuzzie" is only in your

imagination. > > fuzzie>>You go, fuzzie!!In spite of all the endless

nondual yacking and quacking that goes on here and on Nis and GR,

you'd think by now that the yosymeister and her ilk would at least

get it conceptually, if not get it REALLY.Then again, you have to

remember that the seeds you sow sometimes fall on soil that's just

too rocky to take root.Ah the life of jnani! It just doesn't get any

better than This.Do it?All I can say is that "all things are perfectly

resolved in the Unborn."To those who have ears, let them

hear.........Gary

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dear Jim,

not quite.

the mind is the Self when the Self doesn't mind.

And the bigger question is who's minding the show?

love and peace

anna

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jimrasa

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:05 PM

Re: Letters and Comments

Dear Michael,This came to me to say after reading your message.....if

it rings for you, great and if not....simply discard.mind is mindSelf

is Selfmind can never figure itself outYours Truly,Jim--- In

, michael bindel <michael_bindel>

wrote:> > Letters and Comments> > Mindfulness> > I wonder if you

could help me with a question I have been troubled with lately. I

don't recall Bhagavan addressing this. My dilemma is this: How much

attention to devote to my present experience, whether good or bad,

being 'mindful' if you will. And when to turn from this experience

and inquire 'To whom does this occur?' When done too early this

technique can seem to reject being present in the world. I hope I

have made myself clear. Any answer you could give would be

appreciated. > > > Being mindful, being aware in the present, as you

have mentioned, is useful for developing detachment. Detachment frees

the mind and allows it to sink within, or to dissolve. When to turn

from this practice to enquiry depends on the pakva (fitness) of the

sadhaka. The Vichara technique does not reject "being present in the

world," but rather provides a means to realize that you are present

'as' the world. Nothing will be separate. In short, being 'mindful'

during your activities is good, but one should, with one-pointed

mind, spend some time daily seeking the source of the mind. As this

practice deepens, one will discover there is no such thing as 'mind',

only the Self - Editor > > > > > > Why Creation?> > > > I have a

burning question which won't leave me alone. After studying and doing

some meditation for several years, I can't shake this. Why was all

this creation in the FIRST place. It can't be because we need to

become conscious of our true Self. Our Self already is conscious, was

conscious and will always be conscious. In all the Maharshi's

readings, he always ignores this type of question and says, "Just go

inside and ask who it is that is asking the question." I have done

this very thing for many months and the question subsides but doesn't

leave me alone. I turned to the writings of Sri Aurobindo which helped

to look at it from a total evolutionary process; but it still seems

silly, at best, and vague as to 'why a creation?'- if this world we

live in is an illusion anyway. Any help or suggestions for reading

materials would be a blessing to me. Thank you for your indulgence. >

> > "Why the creation in the first place?" That is a good question for

the mind. But are we the mind? We, the created substance, are in an

unfortunate position to try and understand what was on the Creator's

mind when producing all of this, if there is such a thing as 'mind'

at all for the Creator. No intellectual answer to this question can

be correct, for the truth lies beyond the realm of the created - us,

the individuals. So what to do? Either forget about the whole matter

and go on with your normal life, or seek the solution to this

question by trying to understand what it is that has been created

-"me". "Me" or "I" is perfectly apparent to all, but what is not

apparent is what this "I" is, where did it came from, where does it

go, and what is its true nature. This investigation is worth

pursuing, because the Maharshi and other sages from time immemorial

have declared that the answer to this question resolves all other

questions. Once we know our Self - not intellectually, but by>

direct experience - then this nagging question about the purpose of

creation is put to rest - Editor > > > > THE MAHARSHI> >

> > > > > May/June 2002> Vol. 12 -

No. 3> > > > Produced & Edited by> Dennis Hartel> Dr. Anil K. Sharma>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> Discover > Stay in touch

with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it

out!/join

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is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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Dear Jim

it rings for "me" - or course

"mind" is the i-thought

"mind" is the ego

mind is part of "maya" (illusion)

all this can only be dissolved by

GRACE

Grace IS

if we are ready for it

a help on the way

do not "mind" the thoughts which arise

let them go

"eternal" practice is needed for it

b u t i t w o r k s

then you feel GRACE GD LOVE

in love in GD

yours truly

michael

who never saw you bodily but is in touch with you........

LOVE IS ALL WHAT IS

if you start loving yourself.....-

jimrasa

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:05 PM

Re: Letters and Comments

Dear Michael,This came to me to say after reading your message.....if

it rings for you, great and if not....simply discard.mind is mindSelf

is Selfmind can never figure itself outYours Truly,Jim--- In

, michael bindel <michael_bindel>

wrote:> > Letters and Comments> > Mindfulness> > I wonder if you

could help me with a question I have been troubled with lately. I

don't recall Bhagavan addressing this. My dilemma is this: How much

attention to devote to my present experience, whether good or bad,

being 'mindful' if you will. And when to turn from this experience

and inquire 'To whom does this occur?' When done too early this

technique can seem to reject being present in the world. I hope I

have made myself

clear. Any answer you could give would be appreciated. > > > Being

mindful, being aware in the present, as you have mentioned, is useful

for developing detachment. Detachment frees the mind and allows it to

sink within, or to dissolve. When to turn from this practice to

enquiry depends on the pakva (fitness) of the sadhaka. The Vichara

technique does not reject "being present in the world," but rather

provides a means to realize that you are present 'as' the world.

Nothing will be separate. In short, being 'mindful' during your

activities is good, but one should, with one-pointed mind, spend some

time daily seeking the source of the mind. As this practice deepens,

one will discover there is no such thing as 'mind', only the Self -

Editor > > > > > > Why Creation?> > > > I have a burning question

which won't leave me alone. After

studying and doing some meditation for several years, I can't shake

this. Why was all this creation in the FIRST place. It can't be

because we need to become conscious of our true Self. Our Self

already is conscious, was conscious and will always be conscious. In

all the Maharshi's readings, he always ignores this type of question

and says, "Just go inside and ask who it is that is asking the

question." I have done this very thing for many months and the

question subsides but doesn't leave me alone. I turned to the

writings of Sri Aurobindo which helped to look at it from a total

evolutionary process; but it still seems silly, at best, and vague as

to 'why a creation?'- if this world we live in is an illusion anyway.

Any help or suggestions for reading materials would be a blessing to

me. Thank you for your indulgence. > > > "Why the creation in the

first place?" That is a good question for the mind. But

are we the mind? We, the created substance, are in an unfortunate

position to try and understand what was on the Creator's mind when

producing all of this, if there is such a thing as 'mind' at all for

the Creator. No intellectual answer to this question can be correct,

for the truth lies beyond the realm of the created - us, the

individuals. So what to do? Either forget about the whole matter and

go on with your normal life, or seek the solution to this question by

trying to understand what it is that has been created -"me". "Me" or

"I" is perfectly apparent to all, but what is not apparent is what

this "I" is, where did it came from, where does it go, and what is

its true nature. This investigation is worth pursuing, because the

Maharshi and other sages from time immemorial have declared that the

answer to this question resolves all other questions. Once we know

our Self - not intellectually, but by> direct

experience - then this nagging question about the purpose of creation

is put to rest - Editor > > > > THE MAHARSHI> >

> > > > > May/June 2002> Vol. 12 -

No. 3> > > > Produced & Edited by> Dennis Hartel> Dr. Anil K. Sharma>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> Discover > Stay in touch

with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it

out!/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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