re: Ramana was not a jnani. What was he then? / devianandi

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Yosy what the difference between saying

that attainment is personal and realisation is not

and saying that realisation and attainment is not personal

but it is happening in consciousness in a specific body mind location?

What is that personal attainment as opposed to impersonal realisation?

 

Marifa

 

 

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"yosyx" <yosyflug

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Monday, June 06, 2005 1:03 AM

re: Ramana was not a jnani. What was

he then? / devianandi

 

> , "devianandi" <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

>> I agree with Yosy. This whole guru ego trip of "I'm a jnani and

>> you're not" is about as dualistic as it gets.

>>

>> No one is enlightened. To say someone is personally enlightened or

>> personally realized is an oxymoron. There is no separate "person"

> to

>> realize anything; that is enlightenment. No one owns it; no one

>> possesses it. It just is.

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>> > >> fuzzie

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>> meher baba: The Infinite Reality in the God-realized soul has

>> the knowledge of its own Infinity; but such knowledge does not

>> belong to the unrealized soul, still subject to the illusion of the

>> universe. If God-realization were not a personal attainment, the

>> entire universe would come to an end as soon as one man attained

> God-

>> realization. This does not happen, because God-realization is a

>> personal state of consciousness belonging to the one who has

>> transcended the domain of the mind. Others continue to remain in

>> bondage, and can attain it only by freeing their consciousness from

>> the burden of the ego and the limitations of the individual mind.

>> Thus God-realization has a direct significance only for the one who

>> has emerged from the time-process.

>>

>> http://www.beezone.com/GodtoMan/chapter_iii_god_realizatio.html

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> yes. the attainment is personal; the realization isn't.

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> as long as there is an individual "i", there is also the creation and

> god. they arise and merge together.

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> yosy

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> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

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> Sri Ramana

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> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

> Links

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Emanuele De Benedetti

Monday, June 06, 2005 7:33 AM

Re: re: Ramana was not a

jnani. What was he then? / devianandi

Yosy what the difference between sayingthat attainment is personal and

realisation is notand saying that realisation and attainment is not

personalbut it is happening in consciousness in a specific body mind

location?What is that personal attainment as opposed to impersonal

realisation?Marifa

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- "yosyx" <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il>To:

<>Monday, June 06, 2005 1:03

AM re: Ramana was not a jnani.

What was he then? / devianandi> ,

"devianandi" <polansky@m...>> wrote:>> I agree with Yosy. This whole

guru ego trip of "I'm a jnani and>> you're not" is about as

dualistic as it gets.>>>> No one is enlightened. To say someone is

personally enlightened or>> personally realized is an oxymoron.

There is no separate "person"> to>> realize anything; that is

enlightenment. No one owns it; no one>> possesses it. It just

is.>>>> > >> >> > >>>> > >> fuzzie>>>> meher baba: The Infinite

Reality in the God-realized soul has>> the knowledge of its own

Infinity; but such knowledge does not>> belong to the unrealized

soul, still subject to the illusion of the>> universe. If

God-realization were not a personal attainment, the>> entire universe

would come to an end as soon as one man attained> God->> realization.

This does not happen, because God-realization is a>> personal state

of consciousness belonging to the one who has>> transcended the

domain of the mind. Others continue to remain in>> bondage, and can

attain it only by freeing their consciousness from>> the burden of

the ego and the limitations of the individual mind.>> Thus

God-realization has a direct significance only for the one who>> has

emerged from the time-process.>>>>

http://www.beezone.com/GodtoMan/chapter_iii_god_realizatio.html>>>

yes. the attainment is personal; the realization isn't.>> as long as

there is an individual "i", there is also the creation and> god. they

arise and merge together.>> yosy>>>>>>>

/join>>

>> >> "Love

itself is the actual form of God.">> Sri Ramana>> In "Letters from

Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma> Links>>>>>>>>

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma