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> Letters and Comments

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> Why Creation?

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> I have a burning question which won't leave me alone. After

studying and doing some meditation for several years, I can't shake

this. Why was all this creation in the FIRST place. It can't be

because we need to become conscious of our true Self. Our Self

already is conscious, was conscious and will always be conscious. In

all the Maharshi's readings, he always ignores this type of question

and says, "Just go inside and ask who it is that is asking the

question." I have done this very thing for many months and the

question subsides but doesn't leave me alone. I turned to the

writings of Sri Aurobindo which helped to look at it from a total

evolutionary process; but it still seems silly, at best, and vague

as to 'why a creation?'- if this world we live in is an illusion

anyway. Any help or suggestions for reading materials would be a

blessing to me. Thank yo! u for your indulgence.

>

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> "Why the creation in the first place?" That is a good question

for the mind. But are we the mind? We, the created substance, are in

an unfortunate position to try and understand what was on the

Creator's mind when producing all of this, if there is such a thing

as 'mind' at all for the Creator. No intellectual answer to this

question can be correct, for the truth lies beyond the realm of the

created - us, the individuals. So what to do? Either forget about

the whole matter and go on with your normal life, or seek the

solution to this question by trying to understand what it is that

has been created -"me". "Me" or "I" is perfectly apparent to all,

but what is not apparent is what this "I" is, where did it came

from, where does it go, and what is its true nature. This

investigation is worth pursuing, because the Maharshi and other

sages from time immemorial have declared that the answer to this

question resolves all other questions. Once we know our Self - not

intellectually, but by direct experience - then this nagging

question about the purpose of creation is put to rest - Editor

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> a hadith-al-kuds ("holy utterance" attributed to the prophed

muhamad) states that allah the allmighty said: "I was a Hidden

Treasure and loved to be known. Therefore I created the Creation

that I might be known."

>

> and a hindu tale i heard in india said that the allmighty, all

including one without a second wanted to play - but there was no one

to play with - no "other". so he created this lila, this divine

play, saying: "i am one - let us become many" and plays the apparent

hide and seek - without ever being other then himself...

>

> :) grateful in any case,

>

> _()_

>

> yosy

 

 

I like what A Course in Miracles sez the reason for creation ...

 

"We forgot to laugh!"

 

Love,

xxxtg

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Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:32 PM

Letters and Comments

Letters and Comments

Why Creation?

I have a burning question which won't leave me alone. After studying

and doing some meditation for several years, I can't shake this. Why

was all this creation in the FIRST place. It can't be because we need

to become conscious of our true Self. Our Self already is conscious,

was conscious and will always be conscious. In all the Maharshi's

readings, he always ignores this type of question and says, "Just go

inside and ask who it is that is asking the question." I have done

this very thing for many months and the question subsides but doesn't

leave me alone. I turned to the writings of Sri Aurobindo which helped

to look at it from a total evolutionary process; but it still seems

silly, at best, and vague as to 'why a creation?'- if this world we

live in is an illusion anyway. Any help or suggestions for reading

materials would be a blessing to me. Thank yo! u for your indulgence.

 

"Why the creation in the first place?" That is a good question for the

mind. But are we the mind? We, the created substance, are in an

unfortunate position to try and understand what was on the Creator's

mind when producing all of this, if there is such a thing as 'mind'

at all for the Creator. No intellectual answer to this question can

be correct, for the truth lies beyond the realm of the created - us,

the individuals. So what to do? Either forget about the whole matter

and go on with your normal life, or seek the solution to this

question by trying to understand what it is that has been created

-"me". "Me" or "I" is perfectly apparent to all, but what is not

apparent is what this "I" is, where did it came from, where does it

go, and what is its true nature. This investigation is worth

pursuing, because the Maharshi and other sages from time immemorial

have declared that the answer to this question resolves all other

questions. Once we know our Self - not intellectually, but by direct

experience - then this nagging question about the purpose of creation

is put to rest - Editor

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a hadith-al-kuds ("holy utterance" attributed to the prophed muhamad)

states that allah the allmighty said: "I was a Hidden Treasure and

loved to be known. Therefore I created the Creation that I might be

known."

and a hindu tale i heard in india said that the allmighty, all

including one without a second wanted to play - but there was no one

to play with - no "other". so he created this lila, this divine play,

saying: "i am one - let us become many" and plays the apparent hide

and seek - without ever being other then himself...

:) grateful in any case,

_()_

yosy

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Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:50 AM

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wrote:> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> > a

hadith-al-kuds ("holy utterance" attributed to the prophet muhamad)

states that allah the allmighty said: "I was a Hidden Treasure and

loved to be known. Therefore I created the Creation that I might be

known."> > and a hindu tale i heard in india said that the

allmighty, all including one without a second wanted to play - but

there was no one to play with - no "other". so he created this lila,

this divine play, saying: "i am one - let us become many" and plays

the apparent hide and seek - without ever being other then

himself...> > :) grateful in any case, > > _()_> > yosyI like

what A Course in Miracles sez the reason for creation ... "We forgot

to laugh!"Love,xxxtg

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lol this reason is good enough for me!

hehehehehe

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And there is also another answer to this question:

what it is, is and is as it is:

it is in its nature to create all this

without any motives.

it is the mind that needs purposes

yet the mind is part of what is.

There is a story of a child asking his father:

"why the grass is green?"

and the father answered :"because it's green"

and the child was perfectly happy with that.

marifa

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yosyflug

Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:37 AM

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michael bindel

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namoramana ;

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:32 PM

Letters and Comments

Letters and Comments

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

a hadith-al-kuds ("holy utterance" attributed to the prophed muhamad)

states that allah the allmighty said: "I was a Hidden Treasure and

loved to be known. Therefore I created the Creation that I might be

known."

and a hindu tale i heard in india said that the allmighty, all

including one without a second wanted to play - but there was no one

to play with - no "other". so he created this lila, this divine play,

saying: "i am one - let us become many" and plays the apparent hide

and seek - without ever being other then himself...

:) grateful in any case,

_()_

yosy

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is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:33 AM

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And there is also another answer to this question:

what it is, is and is as it is:

it is in its nature to create all this

without any motives.

it is the mind that needs purposes

yet the mind is part of what is.

There is a story of a child asking his father:

"why the grass is green?"

and the father answered :"because it's green"

and the child was perfectly happy with that.

marifa

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yosyflug

Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:37 AM

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michael bindel

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namoramana ;

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:32 PM

Letters and Comments

Letters and Comments

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

a hadith-al-kuds ("holy utterance" attributed to the prophed muhamad)

states that allah the allmighty said: "I was a Hidden Treasure and

loved to be known. Therefore I created the Creation that I might be

known."

and a hindu tale i heard in india said that the allmighty, all

including one without a second wanted to play - but there was no one

to play with - no "other". so he created this lila, this divine play,

saying: "i am one - let us become many" and plays the apparent hide

and seek - without ever being other then himself...

:) grateful in any case,

_()_

yosy

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Hello All,

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">There is a being amazingly powerful and

wonderful. In this path it is referred to as the SELF or Brahman.

When entered into, one realizes that one’s true nature, SELF, is beyond

anything one could have imagined. Once tasting it one goes mad with love

and wonder. The modern day, advaitists seem to focus on only one aspect

of this wondrous being, CHIT. But this is only one aspect of its

SELF.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">But when the SELF, in its amazing fullness

is known, all the questions, such as “Why is there a creation”, “Why

is there suffering”, “Why, why, why” are shattered.

They are not answered; but they are destroyed, destroyed in that ONE forever. Ultimately

there are no answers, there is only peace, and unimaginable bliss.

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font-family:Arial">And there is also another answer to this question:

font-family:Arial">what it is, is and is as it is:

font-family:Arial">it is in its nature to create all this

font-family:Arial">without any motives.

font-family:Arial">it is the mind that needs purposes

font-family:Arial">yet the mind is part of what is.

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font-family:Arial">There is a story of a child asking his father:

font-family:Arial">"why the grass is green?"

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font-family:Arial">and the child was perfectly happy with that.

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a hadith-al-kuds ("holy

utterance" attributed to the prophed muhamad) states that allah the

allmighty said: "I was a Hidden Treasure

and loved to be known. Therefore I created the Creation that I might be known

color:green">."

and a hindu tale i heard

in india

said that the allmighty, all including one without a second wanted to play -

but there was no one to play with - no "other". so he created this

lila, this divine play, saying: "i am one - let us become many"

and plays the apparent hide and seek - without ever being other then himself...

:) grateful in any case,

_()_

yosy

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"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma

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"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma

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, "Emanuele De Benedetti"

<e.debenedetti@t...> wrote:

> And there is also another answer to this question:

> what it is, is and is as it is:

> it is in its nature to create all this

> without any motives.

> it is the mind that needs purposes

> yet the mind is part of what is.

>

> There is a story of a child asking his father:

> "why the grass is green?"

> and the father answered :"because it's green"

> and the child was perfectly happy with that.

>

> marifa

 

 

LOL! Thanks Marifa for sharing this.

 

It reminds me of a conversation I had last year with

my grandson, Kain.

 

We were sitting outside and he asked "Why are there

trees?"

 

I thought for a moment for a good answer for a four

year old, and said very wisely... "because they make

the world beautiful!"

 

Kain replied, "No Grannie! Trees give us oxygen!"

 

Love,

xxxtg

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<e.debenedetti@t...> wrote:> And there is also another answer to this

question:> what it is, is and is as it is:> it is in its nature to

create all this> without any motives.> it is the mind that needs

purposes> yet the mind is part of what is.> > There is a story of a

child asking his father:> "why the grass is green?"> and the father

answered :"because it's green"> and the child was perfectly happy

with that.> > marifaLOL! Thanks Marifa for sharing this.It reminds

me of a conversation I had last year with my grandson, Kain.We were

sitting outside and he asked "Why are theretrees?"I thought for a

moment for a good answer for a fouryear old, and said very wisely...

"because they makethe world beautiful!"Kain replied, "No Grannie!

Trees give us oxygen!"Love,xxxtg

smart these little ones, yes, that they

BE.

love,

anna

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"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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