Amma Darshan

June 14, 2005

Thanks for the darshan story Durga. Being in the company of such great

devotion is wonderful. I had a very different experience the first

time I saw Amma. After waiting in line for a long while the hug

seemed anti-climatic. It felt like Amma filled the entire hall with

her presence. Her hug was walking in the room.

Amma comes every year to a small Iowa town near where I live. No need

to travel to India. Last year when she came I had a more personal

experience, but that is another story.Durga <durgaji108 >

wrote:

Today I had "darshan" with Amma. (That means a hug).Actually, I've had

two already.As I waited in line for my hug, I watchedthe faces of the

Indian devotees standingclose to Amma's chair. She was laughingand

joking with them. They were obviouslyhaving a wonderful time. I

wished I couldunderstand what they were saying. They werelooking at

her with total love."I don't love Amma like that," I thought."I don't

love anyone like that. There isno one I feel that kind of devotion

for."In Vedanta class we have been talking a lotlately about gaining

mental stability. A calmand quiet mind is recommended for

self-inquiry.I thought perhaps as Amma hugged me I wouldmentally ask

her to help me gain a steady mind.That seemed to be a good thing to

ask for. That seemed to be what I needed.She smiled,

took me in her arms and huggedme close to her. As I melted into my

favoriteplace to be in this world, all preconceived ideas

vanished,and I found myself thinking, "Let me loose myselfin the

ocean of your love. Let me loose myself inthe ocean of your love."So

much for acquiring mental

stability.—Durga/join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear Durga,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I wouldn’t want to offend you or

disturb you; but please humor my question for a moment, and reply if you like.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">What gives you the inkling of an idea that

Amma could grant your wish.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Seriously,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">michael

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

[] On Behalf Of Durga

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:03

AM

[ - Ramana

Guru] Amma Darshan

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Today I had "darshan" with Amma. (That means a hug).

Actually, I've had two already.

As I waited in line for my hug, I watched

the faces of the Indian devotees standing

close to Amma's chair. She was laughing

and joking with them. They were obviously

having a wonderful time. I wished I could

understand what they were saying. They were

looking at her with total love.

"I don't love Amma like that," I

thought.

"I don't love anyone like that. There is

no one I feel that kind of devotion for."

In Vedanta class we have been talking a lot

lately about gaining mental stability. A calm

and quiet mind is recommended for self-inquiry.

I thought perhaps as Amma hugged me I would

mentally ask her to help me gain a steady mind.

That seemed to be a good thing to ask for. That

seemed

to be what I needed.

She smiled, took me in her arms and hugged

me close to her. As I melted into my favorite

place to be in this world, all preconceived ideas

vanished,

and I found myself thinking, "Let me loose

myself

in the ocean of your love. Let me loose myself in

the ocean of your love."

So much for acquiring mental

stability.—Durga

/join

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma

June 14, 2005

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear Viorica, Durga and all,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I just replied to Durga in regard to the

same email. Viorica, after having read your reply to Durga, I feel really

badly about my reply to her, and what I said. I didn’t mean to

sound cynical, or mean; but perhaps I did.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Inspiration, is the key, it comes to all

of us in various and even evolving ways. Wherever and however we

experience true inspiration is most certainly due to the Grace of the One.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Apologies,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">michael

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

[] On Behalf Of viorica weissman

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:45

PM

Re: [ -

Ramana Guru] Amma Darshan

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Dear Durga,

The darshan story is so precious.

Strangely I thought once there was no need for me

to travel to

Ramana's ashram to India

once I found him without ever travelling to

India.

One day all this changed and I want now to take

the travel. This

change of mind came by such a roundabout way.

There is a rabbi in Jerusalem whom I go to see once in a while.

I never thought I would go to see a rabbi, but

that is another story.

There is a power or energy that flows through him

to a person whose

hand he holds. I like to sit there, and see how

people come burdened

with problems and leave the room in good spirits

and energized by I

don't know what force, he just holds the person's

hand if it is a man

or holds his hand parralel to the other person's

hand if it is a

woman. He laughs all the time, people pour out

what terrible burdens

or problems or pains they have. I can't have

enough of it when I see

how people look when they enter the room and what

a transformation

they suffer. He knows nothing of self-realization,

has no interest in

ever leaving the city, knowing other traditions,

knowing the world,

travelling or such, just holds the other person's

hand and enjoys

that a man that enters his room with a pain leaves

that room without

it or at least diminished.

I like to see him because I like to see such

people who are happy for

their fellow men when these are able to put down a

pain and get cured

of it.

This is what I think is the divine in the

character of man: to be

happy to cure his fellow men of trouble, to be

happy with the one

that wishes to share with him both his suffering

and his happiness.

He is a very orthodox rabbi but since he one day

realized that people

around him got cured of all kind of diseases, he

accepted it as a

gift from God and decided that what is God given

has to be shared

undiscriminately to all. That is why those who are

used to see around

orthodox rabbis only orthodox Jews would be

surprised to discover

that people who come to see him not all of them

are orthodox Jews or

that they are not Jews at

all.

One day I wanted to go and see him, and I arrived

about half an hour

before he did. I entered the empty room and sat

down happy I could

have some rest. I don't know how long it took me

to sense the air

vibrating with an energizing force.

And with my next thought I turned to Ramana:

"you brought me to a

rabbi to make me feel that the air can vibrate

with divine life

and presence, to make me understand the devotees

stories who travel

to the ashram and feel the air vibrating with your

presence."

So many devotees stories turned out to be suddenly

different from

what I had believed they were before.

I hope to be able to travel some day, although I

am apparently so

tied by family obligations, job and more and no

opening seems

possible. I hope to live the day when I'll sit in

the meditation

hall, feeling what that air has to

reveal.

/join

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma

June 15, 2005

Viorica,

Thank you for your beautiful story about the rabbi.

Jill

On Jun 14, 2005, at 7:45 PM, viorica weissman wrote:

> Dear Durga,

>

> The darshan story is so precious.

>

> Strangely I thought once there was no need for me to travel to

> Ramana's ashram to India once I found him without ever travelling to

> India.

>

> One day all this changed and I want now to take the travel. This

> change of mind came by such a roundabout way.

>

> There is a rabbi in Jerusalem whom I go to see once in a while.

> I never thought I would go to see a rabbi, but that is another story.

> There is a power or energy that flows through him to a person whose

> hand he holds. I like to sit there, and see how people come burdened

> with problems and leave the room in good spirits and energized by I

> don't know what force, he just holds the person's hand if it is a man

> or holds his hand parralel to the other person's hand if it is a

> woman. He laughs all the time, people pour out what terrible burdens

> or problems or pains they have. I can't have enough of it when I see

> how people look when they enter the room and what a transformation

> they suffer. He knows nothing of self-realization, has no interest in

> ever leaving the city, knowing other traditions, knowing the world,

> travelling or such, just holds the other person's hand and enjoys

> that a man that enters his room with a pain leaves that room without

> it or at least diminished.

>

> I like to see him because I like to see such people who are happy for

> their fellow men when these are able to put down a pain and get cured

> of it.

>

> This is what I think is the divine in the character of man: to be

> happy to cure his fellow men of trouble, to be happy with the one

> that wishes to share with him both his suffering and his happiness.

>

> He is a very orthodox rabbi but since he one day realized that people

> around him got cured of all kind of diseases, he accepted it as a

> gift from God and decided that what is God given has to be shared

> undiscriminately to all. That is why those who are used to see around

> orthodox rabbis only orthodox Jews would be surprised to discover

> that people who come to see him not all of them are orthodox Jews or

> that they are not Jews at all.

>

> One day I wanted to go and see him, and I arrived about half an hour

> before he did. I entered the empty room and sat down happy I could

> have some rest. I don't know how long it took me to sense the air

> vibrating with an energizing force.

>

> And with my next thought I turned to Ramana: "you brought me to a

> rabbi to make me feel that the air can vibrate with divine life

> and presence, to make me understand the devotees stories who travel

> to the ashram and feel the air vibrating with your presence."

>

> So many devotees stories turned out to be suddenly different from

> what I had believed they were before.

>

> I hope to be able to travel some day, although I am apparently so

> tied by family obligations, job and more and no opening seems

> possible. I hope to live the day when I'll sit in the meditation

> hall, feeling what that air has to reveal.

>

/join

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

> Links

>

> •

> /

>

> •

>

> • Terms of

> Service.

>

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indeed! But why just a story and

not the story of a/your Life?

anna

-

Jill Eggers

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:29 AM

Re: Amma Darshan

Viorica,Thank you for your beautiful story about the rabbi. JillOn Jun

14, 2005, at 7:45 PM, viorica weissman wrote:

Dear Durga,The darshan story is so precious. Strangely I thought once

there was no need for me to travel to Ramana's ashram to India once I

found him without ever travelling to India. One day all this changed

and I want now to take the travel. This change of mind came by such a

roundabout way. There is a rabbi in Jerusalem whom I go to see once in

a while.I never thought I would go to see a rabbi, but that is another

story. There is a power or energy that flows through him to a person

whose hand he holds. I like to sit there, and see how people come

burdened with problems and leave the room in good spirits and

energized by I don't know what force, he just holds the person's hand

if it is a man or holds his hand parralel to the other person's hand

if it is a woman. He laughs all the time, people pour out what

terrible burdens or problems or pains they have. I can't have enough

of it when I see how people look when they enter the room and what a

transformationthey suffer. He knows nothing of self-realization, has

no interest inever leaving the city, knowing other traditions,

knowing the world, travelling or such, just holds the other person's

hand and enjoys that a man that enters his room with a pain leaves

that room without it or at least diminished.I like to see him because

I like to see such people who are happy for their fellow men when

these are able to put down a pain and get cured of it. This is what I

think is the divine in the character of man: to be happy to cure his

fellow men of trouble, to be happy with the one that wishes to share

with him both his suffering and his happiness. He is a very orthodox

rabbi but since he one day realized that peoplearound him got cured

of all kind of diseases, he accepted it as a gift from God and

decided that what is God given has to be shared undiscriminately to

all. That is why those who are used to see around orthodox rabbis

only orthodox Jews would be surprised to discoverthat people who come

to see him not all of them are orthodox Jews or that they are not Jews

at all. One day I wanted to go and see him, and I arrived about

half an hour before he did. I entered the empty room and sat down

happy I could have some rest. I don't know how long it took me to

sense the air vibrating with an energizing force. And with my next

thought I turned to Ramana: "you brought me to a rabbi to make me

feel that the air can vibrate with divine lifeand presence, to make

me understand the devotees stories who travel to the ashram and feel

the air vibrating with your presence."So many devotees stories turned

out to be suddenly different from what I had believed they were

before. I hope to be able to travel some day, although I am

apparently so tied by family obligations, job and more and no opening

seems possible. I hope to live the day when I'll sit in the meditation

hall, feeling what that air has to reveal.

/joincolor>

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear Viorica,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Yes, I still live near Camelback. It has

been a great inspiration to me. I am happy to be here.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">It is wonderful to read your postings. I

really enjoyed the posting about the Rabbi.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> michael

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

[] On Behalf Of viorica weissman

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

2:41 AM

Re: [ -

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12.0pt">

10.0pt">dear Michael,

it's good to read your postings again;

do you still live at the opposite axis of

Arunachala on the globe?

how wonderful this must be.

,

"Michael Bowes"

<michaelbowes@c...> wrote:

> Dear Viorica, Durga and all,

>

> I just replied to Durga in regard to the same

email. Viorica,

after having

> read your reply to Durga, I feel really badly

about my reply to

her, and

> what I said. I didn't mean to sound

cynical, or mean; but perhaps

I did.

>

> Inspiration, is the key, it comes to all of

us in various and even

evolving

> ways. Wherever and however we

experience true inspiration is most

certainly

> due to the Grace of the One.

>

> Apologies,

>

> michael

>

/join

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma

June 15, 2005

Hi Michael,

What is Camelback?

Harsha

Michael Bowes wrote:

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Dear Viorica,

Yes, I still

live near Camelback. It has

been a great inspiration to me. I am happy to be here.

It is

wonderful to read your postings. I

really enjoyed the posting about the Rabbi.

Regards,

michael

[] On Behalf Of viorica weissman

Wednesday, June

15, 2005

2:41 AM

Re:

[ -

Ramana Guru] Amma Darshan

dear Michael,

it's good to read your postings again;

do you still live at the opposite axis

of

Arunachala on the globe?

how wonderful this must be.

,

"Michael Bowes"

<michaelbowes@c...> wrote:

> Dear Viorica, Durga and all,

>

> I just replied to Durga in regard

to the same

email. Viorica,

after having

> read your reply to Durga, I feel

really badly

about my reply to

her, and

> what I said. I didn't mean to

sound

cynical, or mean; but perhaps

I did.

>

> Inspiration, is the key, it comes

to all of

us in various and even

evolving

> ways. Wherever and however we

experience true inspiration is most

certainly

> due to the Grace of the One.

>

> Apologies,

>

> michael

June 15, 2005

, "Michael Bowes"

<michaelbowes@c...> wrote:

> Dear Durga,

>

> I wouldn't want to offend you or disturb you; but please humor my

question

> for a moment, and reply if you like.

>

> What gives you the inkling of an idea that Amma could grant your

wish.

>

> Seriously,

>

> michael

>

Experience

June 15, 2005

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Harsha,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">The cover article of the Maharshi

Newsletter, March/April 2003, is entitled “Arunachala Spiritual Axis of

the World” It is an article that states that Bhagavan believed that

there was another mountain directly on the other side of the world from

Arunachala. Here is a brief excerpt from the beginning of that article.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

Reading the following extract from A Sadhu's

Reminiscence, by Sadhu Arunachala (Major A. W. Chadwick), it would appear that

Bhagavan was quite certain about a corresponding holy hill exactly opposite the

globe to Arunachala. Major Chadwick writes:

"He used to say that Arunachala was the top of the

spiritual axis of the earth. 'There must,' he said, 'be another mountain

corresponding to Arunachala at exactly the opposite side of the globe, the corresponding

pole of the axis.' So certain was he of this that one evening he made me fetch

an atlas and see if this was not correct. I found, according to the atlas, the

exact opposite point came in the sea about a hundred miles off the coast of Peru. He seemed

doubtful about this. I pointed out that there might be some island at this spot

or a mountain under the sea.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">After I read this article, I was amazed

because I was living near a large hill in Phoenix,

Arizona that bears a striking resemblance

to Arunachala. The name of the hill is Camelback Mountain.

I sort of accidentally moved there just about five months after leaving India in

1996. I had gone to Ramana Ashrama for my second visit and had a

wonderful experience as I came in within sight of Arunachala. It is

something that has never left me. When I moved to Phoenix, I was

mesmerized by the similarities

between Arunachala and Camelback. I thought that this must be a twin to

Arunachala; but it’s just a fanciful thought of mine.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">But after reading the article, I wrote an

email to the Mountain Path. Several months later, they contacted me and

asked me if they could use my email as an article in The Maharshi. I gave

them my permission and it appeared in the November/December 2003 newsletter.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">The beginning of my article states that

Camelback is halfway around the globe from Arunachala; but it really doesn’t

seem to fit Bhagavan’s idea of the right location. Bhagavan and

Chadwick both decided that it would have to be in the southern hemisphere and

Camelback is not.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I have never circulated my article; but if

anyone is interested in reading it, it can be found here:

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/publish/newsletters.htm

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">It is the November/December 2003

issue. If you read it, please read the PDF version, because it contains

the pictures and I feel that one gets a better sense of what I mean when you

can see the graphics.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">michael

color:windowtext">

[]

On Behalf Of Harsha

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

7:05 AM

Re: [ -

Ramana Guru] Amma Darshan

Hi Michael,

What is Camelback?

Harsha

Michael Bowes wrote:

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear

Viorica,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Yes, I still live near Camelback. It

has been a great inspiration to me. I am happy to be here.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">It is wonderful to read your

postings. I really enjoyed the posting about the Rabbi.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> michael

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

[]

On Behalf Of viorica weissman

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

2:41 AM

Re: [ -

Ramana Guru] Amma Darshan

dear Michael,

it's good to read your postings again;

do you still live at the opposite axis of

Arunachala on the globe?

how wonderful this must be.

,

"Michael Bowes"

<michaelbowes@c...>

wrote:

> Dear Viorica, Durga and all,

>

> I just replied to Durga in regard to the same

email. Viorica,

after having

> read your reply to Durga, I feel really badly

about my reply to

her, and

> what I said. I didn't mean to sound

cynical, or mean; but perhaps

I did.

>

> Inspiration, is the key, it comes to all of

us in various and even

evolving

> ways. Wherever and however we

experience true inspiration is most

certainly

> due to the Grace of the One.

>

> Apologies,

>

> michael

/join

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma

June 15, 2005

Michael,

Great article! Why don't you write something for the HS mag. We are

coming out with a huge new volume in a few weeks. However, we will put

things up periodically even after the volume comes out. Hey, you too

Sri Durga Deviji! How are you doing?

Thanks for coming back and joining again Michael. We think very much

alike. I was in Scottsdale for a conference last December about six

months ago and thought what a nice place it would be to live. Very nice

place. Except it is very hot in the winter I hear. That's what the cab

drivers told me.

Love to all

Harsha

Michael Bowes wrote:

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Harsha,

The cover

article of the Maharshi

Newsletter, March/April 2003, is entitled “Arunachala Spiritual Axis of

the World” It is an article that states that Bhagavan believed that

there was another mountain directly on the other side of the world from

Arunachala. Here is a brief excerpt from the beginning of that article.

Reading the following extract from A Sadhu's

Reminiscence, by Sadhu Arunachala (Major A. W. Chadwick), it would

appear that

Bhagavan was quite certain about a corresponding holy hill exactly

opposite the

globe to Arunachala. Major Chadwick writes:

"He used to say that Arunachala was the top of

the

spiritual axis of the earth. 'There must,' he said, 'be another

mountain

corresponding to Arunachala at exactly the opposite side of the globe,

the corresponding

pole of the axis.' So certain was he of this that one evening he made

me fetch

an atlas and see if this was not correct. I found, according to the

atlas, the

exact opposite point came in the sea about a hundred miles off the

coast of Peru.

He seemed

doubtful about this. I pointed out that there might be some island at

this spot

or a mountain under the sea.

After I read

this article, I was amazed

because I was living near a large hill in Phoenix, Arizona

that bears a striking resemblance

to Arunachala. The name of the hill is Camelback Mountain.

I sort of accidentally moved there just about five months after leaving

India

in

1996. I had gone to Ramana Ashrama for my second visit and had a

wonderful experience as I came in within sight of Arunachala. It is

something that has never left me. When I moved to Phoenix, I was mesmerized by the

similarities

between Arunachala and Camelback. I thought that this must be a twin

to

Arunachala; but it’s just a fanciful thought of mine.

But after

reading the article, I wrote an

email to the Mountain Path. Several months later, they contacted me

and

asked me if they could use my email as an article in The Maharshi. I

gave

them my permission and it appeared in the November/December 2003

newsletter.

The

beginning of my article states that

Camelback is halfway around the globe from Arunachala; but it really

doesn’t

seem to fit Bhagavan’s idea of the right location. Bhagavan and

Chadwick both decided that it would have to be in the southern

hemisphere and

Camelback is not.

I have never

circulated my article; but if

anyone is interested in reading it, it can be found here:

http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/publish/newsletters.htm

It is the

November/December 2003

issue. If you read it, please read the PDF version, because it

contains

the pictures and I feel that one gets a better sense of what I mean

when you

can see the graphics.

Regards,

michael

[]

On Behalf Of Harsha

Wednesday, June

15, 2005

7:05 AM

Re:

[ -

Ramana Guru] Amma Darshan

Hi

Michael,

What is Camelback?

Harsha

Michael Bowes wrote:

Dear

Viorica,

Yes, I still

live near Camelback. It

has been a great inspiration to me. I am happy to be here.

It is

wonderful to read your

postings. I really enjoyed the posting about the Rabbi.

Regards,

michael

June 15, 2005

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Harshaji,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Cab drivers know a lot!!! :-)

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Here’s a picture of a Scottsdale sanyasi,

rickshaw walla (cabbie).

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color:windowtext">

[]

On Behalf Of Harsha

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

5:05 PM

Re: [ -

Ramana Guru] Amma Darshan

Michael,

Great article! Why don't you write something for the HS mag. We are coming out

with a huge new volume in a few weeks. However, we will put things up

periodically even after the volume comes out. Hey, you too Sri Durga

Deviji! How are you doing?

Thanks for coming back and joining again Michael. We think very much alike. I

was in Scottsdale

for a conference last December about six months ago and thought what a nice

place it would be to live. Very nice place. Except it is very hot in the winter

I hear. That's what the cab drivers told me.

Love to all

Harsha

Michael Bowes wrote:

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

Harsha,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">The cover article of the Maharshi

Newsletter, March/April 2003, is entitled “Arunachala Spiritual Axis of

the World” It is an article that states that Bhagavan believed that

there was another mountain directly on the other side of the world from

Arunachala. Here is a brief excerpt from the beginning of that article.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

Reading the following extract from A Sadhu's

Reminiscence, by Sadhu Arunachala (Major A. W. Chadwick), it would appear that

Bhagavan was quite certain about a corresponding holy hill exactly opposite the

globe to Arunachala. Major Chadwick writes:

"He used to say that Arunachala was the top of the

spiritual axis of the earth. 'There must,' he said, 'be another mountain

corresponding to Arunachala at exactly the opposite side of the globe, the

corresponding pole of the axis.' So certain was he of this that one evening he

made me fetch an atlas and see if this was not correct. I found, according to

the atlas, the exact opposite point came in the sea about a hundred miles off

the coast of Peru.

He seemed doubtful about this. I pointed out that there might be some island at

this spot or a mountain under the sea.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">After I read this article, I was amazed

because I was living near a large hill in Phoenix, Arizona that bears a

striking resemblance to Arunachala. The name of the hill is Camelback Mountain.

I sort of accidentally moved there just about five months after leaving India

in 1996. I had gone to Ramana Ashrama for my second visit and had a

wonderful experience as I came in within sight of Arunachala. It is

something that has never left me. When I moved to Phoenix,

I was mesmerized by the similarities between Arunachala and Camelback. I

thought that this must be a twin to Arunachala; but it’s just a fanciful

thought of mine.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">But after reading the article, I wrote an

email to the Mountain Path. Several months later, they contacted me and

asked me if they could use my email as an article in The Maharshi. I gave

them my permission and it appeared in the November/December 2003 newsletter.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">The beginning of my article states that

Camelback is halfway around the globe from Arunachala; but it really

doesn’t seem to fit Bhagavan’s idea of the right location.

Bhagavan and Chadwick both decided that it would have to be in the southern

hemisphere and Camelback is not.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I have never circulated my article; but if

anyone is interested in reading it, it can be found here:

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/publish/newsletters.htm

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">It is the November/December 2003

issue. If you read it, please read the PDF version, because it contains the

pictures and I feel that one gets a better sense of what I mean when you can

see the graphics.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">michael

color:windowtext">

[]

On Behalf Of Harsha

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

7:05 AM

Re: [ -

Ramana Guru] Amma Darshan

Hi Michael,

What is Camelback?

Harsha

Michael Bowes

wrote:

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear

Viorica,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Yes, I still live near Camelback. It

has been a great inspiration to me. I am happy to be here.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">It is wonderful to read your

postings. I really enjoyed the posting about the Rabbi.

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards,

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> michael

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">

/join

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

Sri Ramana

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma

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June 16, 2005

, Harsha wrote:

> *Michael,

>

> Great article! Why don't you write something for the HS mag. We

are

> coming out with a huge new volume in a few weeks. However, we will

put

> things up periodically even after the volume comes out. Hey, you

too

> Sri Durga Deviji! How are you doing?

>

snip

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

> *

snip

Hi Harsha,

I'm just fine, thanks. Thinking of writing something

and have some ideas. We'll see what develops.

Today, I was sitting out at Amma's. There were

lots and lots of people there. I was watching

their faces, and watching Amma. It was very

interesting, the tears, the laughter.

In our human minds, we try and understand why

is all of this the way it is? Why is there so

much suffering? Wouldn't it be nicer if we were

all jnanis, happily existing?

So many jivas at so many points of spiritual evolution.

Plants, animals, humans, samsaris and dharmis. So much

suffering, so much joy, an infinite variety of pairs of

opposites.

Why is everything, (the formless, nondual, absolute,

the creation, duality, and the laws which hold it

all together) the way everything is? In Vedanta they say,

there is no reason for the way things are. It is the way it is

because it is.

To me that is actually very lovely, and circumvents

all thinking. It is the way it is because it is, (and

then, of course, in those teachings there follows all

the wonderful and logical descriptions of how it is).

But in the end the answer to why is because it is.

--Durga

June 16, 2005

-

Durga

Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:12 AM

Re: Amma Darshan

, Harsha wrote:>

*Michael,> > Great article! Why don't you write something for the HS

mag. We are > coming out with a huge new volume in a few weeks.

However, we will put > things up periodically even after the volume

comes out. Hey, you too > Sri Durga Deviji! How are you doing?>

snip> > Love to all> Harsha> *snipHi Harsha,I'm just fine, thanks.

Thinking of writing something and have some ideas. We'll see what

develops.Today, I was sitting out at Amma's. There were lots and

lots of people there. I was watching their faces, and watching Amma.

It was very interesting, the tears, the laughter.In our human minds,

we try and understand why is all of this the way it is? Why is there

so much suffering? Wouldn't it be nicer if we were all jnanis,

happily existing? So many jivas at so many points of spiritual

evolution. Plants, animals, humans, samsaris and dharmis. So

muchsuffering, so much joy, an infinite variety of pairs of

opposites.Why is everything, (the formless, nondual, absolute, the

creation, duality, and the laws which hold it all together) the way

everything is? In Vedanta they say, there is no reason for the way

things are. It is the way it is because it is. To me that is

actually very lovely, and circumvents all thinking. It is the way it

is because it is, (and then, of course, in those teachings there

follows all the wonderful and logical descriptions of how it is).

But in the end the answer to why is because it is. --Durga

It's a heartbreaking peace.

It's clarity, going 'nowhere'.

If it were anyway else, still the same question would arise.

This is why we laugh and cry in the

presence of someone who reflects

this truth.

It is an absolute love for the 'person of suffering' and the

'knowing' of 'truth' of the 'sufferer'.

Love is now home.

a

anna

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

June 18, 2005

Dear Anna and all

as RAMANA said

please leave the fate of the "world" to its Creator

please leave the fate of each "personality" to its Creator

stay in your SELF

thats "all" whats needed......

in love in GD

michaelAnna Ruiz <nli10u (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: