[Lessons in spiritualism

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, "Sachin Chavan"

<chavansachin@h...> wrote:

> Thanks John for putting it so well for us to understand.

>

> "Mostly they are temporary phenomena

> and may be pleasurable or painful in feeling. Both are a sign of a

lack of

> balance."

>

> That strikes a chord!

>

> Sachin

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> John Logan

> 09/10/05 10:34:58

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> Re: [Lessons in

spiritualism

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> I am pretty simple. The action of Kundalini Energy movement has a

variety of

> purposes but

> the most common is the drama of the first waves of energy movement

which act

> to

> cleanse and clear the channels so that further work will be

productive and

> balanced. Any

> action which can be sensed with ordinary senses is the result of

nerve

> stimulation and can

> cause all sorts of imaginings as well as stimulation of the so-

 

Namaste,

 

Some of the greatest saints never had an experience they noticed.

True K is the rise of consciousness really, and this can only be

achieved by purification of the Buddhi. Sending prana through the

body doesn't achieve Moksha and is only temporary, for the attention

drops down the cakras again..........I find it better to

ignore 'experiences'..........ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

Thank you once again or the very clear explaination.I am very aware

of what is going on. I shall have patience and allow the experience &

knowlege to grow at the pace designated by the Divine.He knows best.

Than you once again

Pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough

PadmaJohn Logan <johnrloganis > wrote:

I am pretty simple. The action of Kundalini Energy movement has a

variety of purposes but the most common is the drama of the first

waves of energy movement which act to cleanse and clear the channels

so that further work will be productive and balanced. Any action

which can be sensed with ordinary senses is the result of nerve

stimulation and can cause all sorts of imaginings as well as

stimulation of the so-called "higher" or extended senses as well as

the production of "powers" (siddhis). These are all by-products of

our spiritual growth. Mostly they are temporary phenomena and may be

pleasurable or painful in feeling. Both are a sign of a lack of

balance. The painful is not as much of a problem as the pleasurable

and the ones which seem to give us powers. Why? Because we try to

hold on to the pleasure sensations and this will slow our

spiritual growth or impede it. In fact, trying to hold on to any state

of consciousness will cause this kind of problem.Trying to "force"

Kundalini Awakening or Kundalini Fire will invariably cause an

out-of-balance condition which can produce symptoms of illness or

worse actual mental illness.A certain therapist following the

teachings of Sai Baba and experiencing KA was immature in the process

and tried using Yoga techniques forcing KA and was finally barred from

practice because some of his patients committed suicide stimulated by

the forcing techniques the therapist encouraged. (No I will not

discuss this further.)The point is that KA or KF experiences are

temporary, will occur in the natural process of Sadhana, and should

not be sought for the phenomenal effects. The maxim "When the student

is ready the teacher appears" applies here. When a person is ready

there will be Kundalini movement appropriate to the need of the

practitioner. The value of the Guru or the teacher is that, IF THEY

ARE MATURE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE, they will assist the person to deal

with the KA when it happens and guide them through the process.No

need to rush. Ramana had the right attitude when he said that we

should simply ask "Who is having this experience?" and that will keep

us grounded in the face of any situation.If you want to pursue this

subject and see how much confusion there is about all this Kundalini

business, simply type "Kundalini Fire" into Google search engine.

You will see all kinds of pronouncements about what it is, how to do

it, and how their method is the only real and true method.Forcing

leads to problems and lessons to learn.Gentle pace leads to a

personal path that is designed and guided by the Divine Seed of Life

within us just for us.Another way to write this is ....The only God

we will ever experience is with us now, has

always been with us and will be with us always. In this life we are as

close to God as our next breath and as far. The only God we will ever

meet is as close to us as any person whom we can touch by any

means.The only God we will ever unite with has never been separated

from us.So there is no hurry, there is always enough time.There is

nothing we can DO which will bring us closer to the Divine than we

already are. The actions of self-centered ego simply separates our

awareness from this truth; when we let go in the moment the seeming

separation vanishes for the illusion it is.All the phenoma is drama

and illusion which we create to amuse ourselves with, pretending we

are separate from others and from the Divine. The only purpose of

development of powers (siddhis) is for the purpose of being a channel

for Divine Action to flow through us transparently. For instance, the

teacher may need to be telepathic to read the mind of

his students so that the teacher may aid the student in the best way

for the student. Such a power can be used for other purposes but if

that purpose is not called for Divinely then it will become a trap

and solidify the illusion of superiority and separation.Living in the

flow of the Divine Lila leads only to Sat-Chit-Ananda, to Union and

Divine Joy.The greatest American Sage was Alfred E. Neuman, who said,

"What, me worry?"In pleasure, in pain, in lessons, in serenity, Who Is

Having This Experience? Who Am I?--- In

, Padma Menon <sudarshpa> wrote:>

Pranaams Logan,> I need further explainations please. This Kundalini

Fire rising is it one of the first stages in spiritual experience?

You say there could be psychic phenomena what exactly do you mean?>

You see I do not have a proper guru or guide. I totally lack this

aspect in my growth.What do I do?My

knowledge is mainly from reading. I don't even have a group to discuss

or to clarify any of my doubts.> Pranaams peace & God bless may you

have enough> Padma> > John Logan <johnrloganis> wrote:>

Greetings Padma,> > What you describe is also called Kundalini Fire

Rising. As the central channel > is cleared and purified the "heat"

will disappear and be replaced with serenity. > During this period

the process is simply purification. There may be many > psychic

phenomena also. Some may be helpful, mostly they are illusions >

coming from the clearing of the lower mind preparing the way for

higher more > spiritualized consciousness. This is fairly normal

experiences. Not to worry.> > About the loss of the myelin sheath.

The person involved was over practicing > and the body couldn't take

the energy - way too much heat. Also he was > practicing with

"hard" yoga exercises, and decided to not only become Vegan > but he

after years of mixed eating (meat and vegetables, etc.) decided to >

become a Fruitarian, eating only fruit. This over acidified his

system and > unbalanced it completely. Also from having an active sex

life, he went celibate > completely from one day to the next.

Everything was too much in every area of > his life.> > The important

elements of our practices include...> * Moderation and pace> * The

Guidance of a Wise Instructor and coach> * Realize that spiritual

practices have serious life-changing consequences> * Only engage in

extreme practices after a long period of development> > Too much is

like planting a seed and then digging it up every few days to see >

if it is growing. That will kill the plant.> > Too much is like

pouring a strong fertilizer on a plant - everyday - to make it > grow

faster. It may grow faster, but it will also die sooner.> > In the

Absolute there is Eternity, so there is enough time to accomplish >

anything important. What is the rush? > > Spiritual practice does

mean that we must be regular and persistent in our > practice. The

spiritual life is not just for Sunday or worse for once a year >

attendance at a religious festival. Discipline is called for, and

patience. > > I hope these comments are useful for you.> John L.> > >

, Padma Menon <sudarshpa> >

wrote:> > Pranaams> > I am new to spiritualism but am very

interested in the seeking. I have often > heard of the Kundalini

awakening but have no true picture of it. I though it was > an energy

that rises from your mooladharna & goes up to the sahasra chakra. >

Sometimes when I sit & try to

mediate & feel some thing is happening in my > mooladharna chakra &

then I can feel the energy rising. Then I feel very > flushed & I

begin to sweat. Could you please tell me what is it I am >

experiencing?> > What do you mean by the mylin sheath has been

stripped?> > Thank you.> > pranaams peace & God bless may you have

enough> > Padma> > > > > > >

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