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Sachin Chavan <chavansachin (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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Its like saying 'Lets stop eating altogether because overeating causes

indigestion and certain foods can be poisonous'

Sachin

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michael bindel

09/11/05 11:05:54

Re: about socalled "discussion" about anything..... PADMA

Dear Padma

thank you again for your open and sincere mail. This openess and

sincerety is rare and can be felt - if you trust yourself enough and

if you are ready to open up completely.

This is connected with the readiness to total submission to the SELF

or GD or LOVE or RAMANA or Mose Buddha Jeshu how you want to name

it...

are your really sure that - like you wrote - in MOST CASES

discussions help you to understand matters better????

of course it should like this - but is it?

this results can only be if the partners in the discussions are mature enough....

it would be great if your opinion is the one which is "right"

by the way

do you use your "neutral observer"? This "faculty" in ourselves which

is able to watch everything we think do feel not do and so on.....

to reach this neutral observer is a socalled precondition for our inner growth

why do i ask you this?

because i ask you to use it the next times you find yourself inmidths of "discussions"

i "loved" to discuss very much so many matters - since my very early

childhood, and i tried to convince many people that being "bad" hurts

oneselve (as an practical example)

my efforts have been in vain - of course

another point i want to point at

modesty is of high importance if we watch discussions we see that

this is lacking most of the time

to question of selfes attitude, to accept that we can be "wrong" is another point of high importance

how many times did you experience that in discussions one confessed of

having used the wrong argument, having misunderstood the point of view

of the other one and so on

then comes the fact that most people are full of complexes of

inferiority complexes "wonderful" hidden behind socalled knowledge

facts and so on

of course if i want to know something which i do not know at the

moment i can ask for information - but this is not a discussion or?

and when asking i have to have again inner modesty

and dear unknown friend besides all this matters if we use our inner

instruments (of course they have to be discovered again and used and

trained and checked....) we feel immedeately when somebody in

"discussions" is

a) trying to "show off" trying to be "better" trying to

"missionize" and so on

b) we feel definetly (after using this faculty many times) when one

just uses his brain faculty and transmitts as facts matters heshe

knows only by intellect (computer knowledge)

whereas they only real knowledge comes from living it......

all this troubles we experience in everyday life inmidhts socalled

"ordinary people" a n d maybe to your disappointment (at least it

was mine too in the beginning...) in the socalled esoteric and or

spiritual field

here we all encounter the same superficiality like everywhere

besides all this

satsang is a Satsang for those who belief in Ramana Maharshi

with belief i do definetely not mean an intellectual concept b u t

a inner certainty without any doubt whatsoever that the path we

choose (Advaita) is our path. Fullpoint.

Of course thoughts arise who might lead us to doubt - b u t this

are thoughts and have to be treated like thoughts.

Let them pass and do not cling to any thought whatsoever....

and

all what we experience are like films in TV

they are n o t the reality what is real is existing always

this you definetly know - at least theoretically

and thats the point

no discussion whatsoever can save you from putting the theoretical knowledge into practical life

only than it is worth something otherwise its jus blabla

always ready to answer your question - but dear friend what i write

and say is practical experience never theory anymore

in love in GD

in all respect

your unknown virtual friend

michael bindel

Padma Menon <sudarshpa > wrote:

PranaamsMichael,

I cannot understand your message.In most cases discussions help you

to understand matters better. How can it be said to be senseless. If

I don't understand something I have to ask, otherwise how do I learn.

This is a paradox.Please explain.

pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough

Padma

Rudy Aguirre <rmarma (AT) umich (DOT) edu> wrote:

thanks>>> michael_bindel 09/09/05 3:14 PM >>>Dear virtual

friendsmay i in all due respect remember us what our beloved SADGURU

SRIRAMANA MAHARSHI saidDiscussions are shadowboxing of the mind and

contribute only to theenfolding of the Ego and are therefore

senselesswith all due respectyours sincerelymichael

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