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Saturday, September 17, 2005

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Dear Harsha,

I appreciate

your post.

One thing that I have come to love about

Ramana is that he never held

himself as better or holier than anyone. As I

recall, he said that he

did not accept disciples since he did not see

any that were not

already realized.

Now you can see your earlier attitudes and

laugh at yourself.

Thanks Richard. Yes, I

have both laughed and cried at myself. Whatever our early attitudes were or

present attitudes are, is all fine. Attitude is attitude. It’s not bad to

have a good attitude, and most would say that it is certainly better than

having a bad attitude. If one wants to make a point in a conversation or an

interaction, the language being amplification of thought limits one to assuming

a perspective of some sort. Sri Ramana was essentially silent for the first few

years at Arunachala and understood fully that there was no point in saying

anything. Later, when he talked, he also felt the same because there is no

point to not saying anything either.

One of the funniest stories

about Sri Ramana is…. when a devotee wrote his first biography there were

colossal errors in it. I think the biography stated that Sri Ramana had

previously been in a profession and was married with children, etc. When the

devotee who had written it gave it to Sri Ramana, Bhagavan carefully proofread

it and gave it back to him with his seeming approval. Sri Ramana never liked to

hurt anyone’s feeling, especially if the person was very sincere. You

must know the story. When Kunju Swami protested to Bhagavan that so called

biography of Sri Ramana was a complete farce and the key facts were all wrong,

Sri Ramana simply asked Kunju Swam to look around him….”Is everything

else (is all this) true?” He asked.

Some days ago, a good

friend, a professor from a European

University called me. He

is a wonderful person and a beautiful soul. We talked for 40 minutes or so and

he was describing a 19-day Buddhist meditative retreat he had just finished. I

told him that he (my professor friend) was a man of great merit to have a

chance to do these types of retreats. How many can take the time out from

making a livelihood to have a 19 days retreat in silence? So he has some great

past karma. He asked me whether I still do any type of formal meditation. I

told him that I do not because I did not see the point in it anymore. Which

brings me back to the original point and that is when we observe carefully, we

see that there is no point in saying anything but there is also no point in not

saying anything. The Sages call the highest state Sahaj. Sahaj means easy and

natural. To be easy and natural with awareness is the path. We are the path

that we travel and we are the goal as well. So there

is no point in wanting to be something other than who you are.

OK. Please behave on the

list (whoever is misbehaving and hopefully you know who

you are).

bold">Otherwise you are outta here! :--). We do put people on moderation.

That is true. As soon as I get the signal from Joyce, that’s

it! No more Mr. Nice Guy!

Love to all

Harsha

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The Sages call the highest state Sahaj. Sahaj means easy and natural.

To be easy and natural with awareness is the path. We are the path

that we travel and we are the goal as well. So there is no point in

wanting to be something other than who you are.

 

 

Loving English but not knowing enough to use the necessary subtleties

(like in German) i do hope i made myself understood ;---))

 

 

 

in joy

 

 

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This is Neo-advaitism at its peak! All talk and no stuff! Its very

easy to say 'Just be' and don't put in efforts. Though its the state

which a Mukta is in, we all (Harsha included) need efforts to reach

that state.

Need I remind you that even Ramana and Nisargadatta spent years in meditation and enquiry.

All these new age neo-advaitic gurus, Adyashanti, Ganga, Balsekar (do

we include Harsha and Michael here?) try to trivialise Sheel

(character) and Samadhi (meditation) and claim that Pragnya (wisdom)

is all. Truth can't be farther from this.

Anyway, I have decided to stop the inflow of mails from this group ion

my in-box to avoid the chattering of minds jamming my mail box.

Sachin

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Harsha

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RE: Re: Jill/ about socalled

"discussion" about anything..... PADMA

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Re: Jill/ about socalled "discussion" about anything..... PADMA

Dear Harsha,I appreciate your post.One thing that I have come to love

about Ramana is that he never held himself as better or holier than

anyone. As I recall, he said that he did not accept disciples since

he did not see any that were not already realized. Now you can see

your earlier attitudes and laugh at yourself.

Thanks Richard. Yes, I have both laughed and cried at myself. Whatever

our early attitudes were or present attitudes are, is all fine.

Attitude is attitude. It’s not bad to have a good attitude, and most

would say that it is certainly better than having a bad attitude. If

one wants to make a point in a conversation or an interaction, the

language being amplification of thought limits one to assuming a

perspective of some sort. Sri Ramana was essentially silent for the

first few years at Arunachala and understood fully that there was no

point in saying anything. Later, when he talked, he also felt the

same because there is no point to not saying anything either.

One of the funniest stories about Sri Ramana is…. when a devotee wrote

his first biography there were colossal errors in it. I think the

biography stated that Sri Ramana had previously been in a profession

and was married with children, etc. When the devotee who had written

it gave it to Sri Ramana, Bhagavan carefully proofread it and gave it

back to him with his seeming approval. Sri Ramana never liked to hurt

anyone’s feeling, especially if the person was very sincere. You must

know the story. When Kunju Swami protested to Bhagavan that so called

biography of Sri Ramana was a complete farce and the key facts were

all wrong, Sri Ramana simply asked Kunju Swam to look around him….”Is

everything else (is all this) true?” He asked.

Some days ago, a good friend, a professor from a European University

called me. He is a wonderful person and a beautiful soul. We talked

for 40 minutes or so and he was describing a 19-day Buddhist

meditative retreat he had just finished. I told him that he (my

professor friend) was a man of great merit to have a chance to do

these types of retreats. How many can take the time out from making a

livelihood to have a 19 days retreat in silence? So he has some great

past karma. He asked me whether I still do any type of formal

meditation. I told him that I do not because I did not see the point

in it anymore. Which brings me back to the original point and that is

when we observe carefully, we see that there is no point in saying

anything but there is also no point in not saying anything. The Sages

call the highest state Sahaj. Sahaj means easy and natural. To be easy

and natural with awareness is the path. We are the path that we travel

and we are the goal as well. So there is no point in wanting to be

something other than who you are.

OK. Please behave on the list (whoever is misbehaving and hopefully you know who you are).

Otherwise you are outta here! :--). We do put people on moderation.

That is true. As soon as I get the signal from Joyce, that’s it! No

more Mr. Nice Guy!

Love to all

Harsha

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Dear Sachinji:

Membership in the sangha is free and people can come and go as they

please. I don’t know what neo-advaita

is. I do know what being natural is. Here we are all friends. Meditation and

Samadhi are good. Effort is good. Being effortless is good. Somehow

one lives one’s life. Either in the forest or the city,

rich or poor, suffering or with pleasure, etc. When we love something,

it does not seem like work. Similarly with meditation

and Samadhi and all these things, what are these other than transmutations in

consciousness. So we are not obsessed with terms but in being who we are. Have you read that

article, “Ordinary Mind is the Buddha Mind.”.

Joyceji, we should put it underneath the other three

articles by me on the homepage. Last time I read it, it seemed good. You can

read it and let me know.

Best wishes Sachinji

Love to all

Harsha

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Thursday, September 22, 2005

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This is

Neo-advaitism at its peak! All talk and no stuff! Its very easy to say 'Just

be' and don't put in efforts. Though its the state which a Mukta is in, we

all (Harsha included) need efforts to reach that state.

Need I remind you

that even Ramana and Nisargadatta spent years in meditation and enquiry.

All these new age

neo-advaitic gurus, Adyashanti, Ganga,

Balsekar (do we include Harsha and Michael here?) try to trivialise Sheel

(character) and Samadhi (meditation) and claim that Pragnya (wisdom) is all.

Truth can't be farther from this.

Anyway, I have

decided to stop the inflow of mails from this group ion my in-box to avoid

the chattering of minds jamming my mail box.

Sachin

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On Behalf Of Richard Clarke

Saturday, September 17,

2005 12:33 PM

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Dear Harsha,

I appreciate

your post.

One thing that I have come to love about

Ramana is that he never held

himself as better or holier than anyone. As

I recall, he said that he

did not accept disciples since he did not

see any that were not

already realized.

Now you can see your earlier attitudes and

laugh at yourself.

Thanks Richard. Yes, I

have both laughed and cried at myself. Whatever our early attitudes were or

present attitudes are, is all fine. Attitude is attitude. It’s not bad

to have a good attitude, and most would say that it is certainly better than

having a bad attitude. If one wants to make a point in a conversation or an

interaction, the language being amplification of thought limits one to

assuming a perspective of some sort. Sri Ramana was essentially silent for

the first few years at Arunachala and understood fully that there was no

point in saying anything. Later, when he talked, he also felt the same

because there is no point to not saying anything either.

One of the funniest

stories about Sri Ramana is…. when a devotee wrote his first biography

there were colossal errors in it. I think the biography stated that Sri

Ramana had previously been in a profession and was married with children,

etc. When the devotee who had written it gave it to Sri Ramana, Bhagavan

carefully proofread it and gave it back to him with his seeming approval. Sri

Ramana never liked to hurt anyone’s feeling, especially if the person

was very sincere. You must know the story. When Kunju Swami protested to

Bhagavan that so called biography of Sri Ramana was a complete farce and the

key facts were all wrong, Sri Ramana simply asked Kunju Swam to look around

him….”Is everything else (is all this) true?” He asked.

Some days ago, a good

friend, a professor from a European University

called me. He is a wonderful person and a beautiful soul. We talked for 40

minutes or so and he was describing a 19-day Buddhist meditative retreat he

had just finished. I told him that he (my professor friend) was a man of

great merit to have a chance to do these types of retreats. How many can take

the time out from making a livelihood to have a 19 days retreat in silence?

So he has some great past karma. He asked me whether I still do any type of

formal meditation. I told him that I do not because I did not see the point

in it anymore. Which brings me back to the original point and that is when we

observe carefully, we see that there is no point in saying anything but there

is also no point in not saying anything. The Sages call the highest state

Sahaj. Sahaj means easy and natural. To be easy and natural with awareness is

the path. We are the path that we travel and we are the goal as well.

So there is no point in wanting to be something other than

who you are.

OK. Please behave on the

list (whoever is misbehaving and hopefully you know

who you are).

bold">Otherwise you are outta here! :--). We do put people

on moderation. That is true. As soon as I get the signal from Joyce,

that’s it! No more Mr. Nice Guy!

Love to all

Harsha

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