RE: Jill/ about socalled "discussion" about anything..... P

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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 Harsha wrote :

>Dear Sachinji:

>Membership in the sangha is free and people can come

>and go as they please. I don't know what neo-advaita

>is. I do know what being natural is. Here we are all

>friends. Meditation and Samadhi are good. Effort is

>good. Being effortless is good. Somehow one lives one's

>life. Either in the forest or the city, rich or poor,

>suffering or with pleasure, etc. When we love

>something, it does not seem like work. Similarly with

>meditation and Samadhi and all these things, what are

>these other than transmutations in consciousness. So we

>are not obsessed with terms but in being who we are.

>Have you read that article, "Ordinary Mind is the

>Buddha Mind.". Joyceji, we should put it underneath the

>other three articles by me on the homepage. Last time I

>read it, it seemed good. You can read it and let me

>know.

>Best wishes Sachinji

>Love to all

>Harsha

> _____

>

>

>[] On Behalf Of

>Sachin Chavan

>Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:37 AM

>

>RE: Re: Jill/

>about socalled "discussion" about anything..... PADMA

>

>

>This is Neo-advaitism at its peak! All talk and no

>stuff! Its very easy to say 'Just be' and don't put in

>efforts. Though its the state which a Mukta is in, we

>all (Harsha included) need efforts to reach that state.

>

>Need I remind you that even Ramana and Nisargadatta

>spent years in meditation and enquiry.

>

>All these new age neo-advaitic gurus, Adyashanti,

>Ganga, Balsekar (do we include Harsha and Michael

>here?) try to trivialise Sheel (character) and Samadhi

>(meditation) and claim that Pragnya (wisdom) is all.

>Truth can't be farther from this.

>

>Anyway, I have decided to stop the inflow of mails from

>this group ion my in-box to avoid the chattering of

>minds jamming my mail box.

>

>Sachin

>

>

>

>----

>

> Harsha <harsha (AT) cox (DOT) net>

>09/22/05 19:13:14

>

>RE: Re: Jill/

>about socalled "discussion" about anything..... PADMA

>

> _____

>

>

>[] On Behalf Of

>Richard Clarke

>Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:33 PM

>

> Re: Jill/ about

>socalled "discussion" about anything..... PADMA

>

>Dear Harsha,

>

>I appreciate your post.

>

>One thing that I have come to love about Ramana is that

>he never held

>himself as better or holier than anyone. As I recall,

>he said that he

>did not accept disciples since he did not see any that

>were not

>already realized.

>

>Now you can see your earlier attitudes and laugh at

>yourself.

>

>Thanks Richard. Yes, I have both laughed and cried at

>myself. Whatever our early attitudes were or present

>attitudes are, is all fine. Attitude is attitude. It's

>not bad to have a good attitude, and most would say

>that it is certainly better than having a bad attitude.

>If one wants to make a point in a conversation or an

>interaction, the language being amplification of

>thought limits one to assuming a perspective of some

>sort. Sri Ramana was essentially silent for the first

>few years at Arunachala and understood fully that there

>was no point in saying anything. Later, when he talked,

>he also felt the same because there is no point to not

>saying anything either.

>

>One of the funniest stories about Sri Ramana is.. when

>a devotee wrote his first biography there were colossal

>errors in it. I think the biography stated that Sri

>Ramana had previously been in a profession and was

>married with children, etc. When the devotee who had

>written it gave it to Sri Ramana, Bhagavan carefully

>proofread it and gave it back to him with his seeming

>approval. Sri Ramana never liked to hurt anyone's

>feeling, especially if the person was very sincere. You

>must know the story. When Kunju Swami protested to

>Bhagavan that so called biography of Sri Ramana was a

>complete farce and the key facts were all wrong, Sri

>Ramana simply asked Kunju Swam to look around him.."Is

>everything else (is all this) true?" He asked.

>

>Some days ago, a good friend, a professor from a

>European University called me. He is a wonderful person

>and a beautiful soul. We talked for 40 minutes or so

>and he was describing a 19-day Buddhist meditative

>retreat he had just finished. I told him that he (my

>professor friend) was a man of great merit to have a

>chance to do these types of retreats. How many can take

>the time out from making a livelihood to have a 19 days

>retreat in silence? So he has some great past karma. He

>asked me whether I still do any type of formal

>meditation. I told him that I do not because I did not

>see the point in it anymore. Which brings me back to

>the original point and that is when we observe

>carefully, we see that there is no point in saying

>anything but there is also no point in not saying

>anything. The Sages call the highest state Sahaj. Sahaj

>means easy and natural. To be easy and natural with

>awareness is the path. We are the path that we travel

>and we are the goal as well. So there is no point in

>wanting to be something other than who you are.

>

>OK. Please behave on the list (whoever is misbehaving

>and hopefully you know who you are).

>Otherwise you are outta here! :--). We do put people

>on moderation. That is true. As soon as I get the

>signal from Joyce, that's it! No more Mr. Nice Guy!

>

>Love to all

>Harsha

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