Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Padma Menon Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:14 AM Re: Re: Living a Life's Message orig. sent in may Pranaams Yosy, I am not complaining but I am very confused. I can't make any head or tial of the messages. I though this group was to discuss, analyse & explain the teachings of the Great Guru. As you said Yosy not everyone can understand everything. But I think a concerted effort could be madeThat I thought was the core concern of this group, Looks like I am wrong. I always pray that all of us have enough of everything weneed. I hope this message of mine has enough of all that we need pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough Padma Dear Padma: It seems to me that we all need to give one another a little space to "be as we are." While the list does not encourage vacuous repetetive ramblings ad infinitum, there should be some leeway for playfullness. After all, why takes it so seriously when nothing ever happened anyway ;-) Padma, I feel you are sincere in your words and do not intend to hurt anyone with your questions or comments, so do not take my comments as a criticism of your posts, as they are not meant as such. As Yosy says, you can delete the posts of those whose words of wisdom do not strike your fancy!!! Anyway, even Bhagavan did not have all of the answers :-) ....................see below.... Love, Joyce From...Kanakammal’s Memories of Bhagavan An elderly man walked into the hall and upon seeing him, Sri Bhagavan’s behavior changed: he appeared to behave like an obedient student. The person who entered said, “Bhagavan, please clear all my doubts.” Smiling and looking at a devotee nearby, Sri Bhagavan replied, “Do you know who this person is? I came away from Madurai unable to answer his questions. Now he has come all the way here with more questions!” The visitor was Sri Bhagavan’s Tamil teacher in school. (from Ch. 17) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Thank you for the kind words.I looked at the messages at their face value & thus was confused. I am new to this group. If I have hurt anyone I am sorry I very sincerely asked as I am very keen to learn.Of course the delete button is there but is it the answer? Thank you once again pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough PadmaLady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Padma Menon Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:14 AM Re: Re: Living a Life's Message orig. sent in may Pranaams Yosy, I am not complaining but I am very confused. I can't make any head or tial of the messages. I though this group was to discuss, analyse & explain the teachings of the Great Guru. As you said Yosy not everyone can understand everything. But I think a concerted effort could be madeThat I thought was the core concern of this group, Looks like I am wrong. I always pray that all of us have enough of everything weneed. I hope this message of mine has enough of all that we need pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough Padma Dear Padma: It seems to me that we all need to give one another a little space to "be as we are." While the list does not encourage vacuous repetetive ramblings ad infinitum, there should be some leeway for playfullness. After all, why takes it so seriously when nothing ever happened anyway ;-) Padma, I feel you are sincere in your words and do not intend to hurt anyone with your questions or comments, so do not take my comments as a criticism of your posts, as they are not meant as such. As Yosy says, you can delete the posts of those whose words of wisdom do not strike your fancy!!! Anyway, even Bhagavan did not have all of the answers :-) ....................see below.... Love, Joyce From...Kanakammal’s Memories of Bhagavan An elderly man walked into the hall and upon seeing him, Sri Bhagavan’s behavior changed: he appeared to behave like an obedient student. The person who entered said, “Bhagavan, please clear all my doubts.” Smiling and looking at a devotee nearby, Sri Bhagavan replied, “Do you know who this person is? I came away from Madurai unable to answer his questions. Now he has come all the way here with more questions!” The visitor was Sri Bhagavan’s Tamil teacher in school. (from Ch. 17) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Namaste Padmaji, Welcome to the group. bold">To answer your earlier question. Sri Ramana was referred as Bhagavan by his devotees. That customary practice is followed by devotees not everyone. Sri Ramana said that that the same Self is in all. You have not hurt anyone’s feelings, I don’t think. Anyway, welcome. Harsha font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Padma Menon Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:53 AM Re: [ - Ramana Guru] (for Padma) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Pranaams Joyce, 12.0pt"> Thank you for the kind words.I looked at the messages at their face value & thus was confused. I am new to this group. If I have hurt anyone I am sorry I very sincerely asked as I am very keen to learn.Of course the delete button is there but is it the answer? 12.0pt">Thank you once again 12.0pt">pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough 12.0pt">Padma Lady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 12.0pt"> margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Padma Menon font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:14 AM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Re: Re: Living a Life's Message orig. sent in may 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Pranaams Yosy, 12.0pt"> I am not complaining but I am very confused. I can't make any head or tial of the messages. I though this group was to discuss, analyse & explain the teachings of the Great Guru. As you said Yosy not everyone can understand everything. But I think a concerted effort could be madeThat I thought was the core concern of this group, Looks like I am wrong. I always pray that all of us have enough of everything weneed. I hope this message of mine has enough of all that we need 12.0pt">pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough 12.0pt">Padma 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dear Padma: 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">It seems to me that we all need to give one another a little space 12.0pt">to "be as we are." While the list does not encourage vacuous repetetive 12.0pt">ramblings ad infinitum, there should be some leeway for playfullness. 12.0pt">After all, why takes it so seriously when nothing ever happened anyway ;-) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Padma, I feel you are sincere in your words and do not intend to 12.0pt">hurt anyone with your questions or comments, so do not take my 12.0pt">comments as a criticism of your posts, as they are not meant as such. 12.0pt">As Yosy says, you can delete the posts of those whose words of wisdom do not strike your fancy!!! Anyway, even Bhagavan 12.0pt">did not have all of the answers :-) ....................see below.... 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Love, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Joyce 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">From... font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Kanakammal’s Memories of Bhagavan font-weight:bold"> An elderly man walked into the hall and upon seeing him, Sri Bhagavan’s behavior changed: he appeared to behave like an obedient student. The person who entered said, “Bhagavan, please clear all my doubts.” font-weight:bold">Smiling and looking at a devotee nearby, Sri Bhagavan replied, “Do you know who this person is? I came away from Madurai unable to answer his questions. Now he has come all the way here with more questions!” The visitor was Sri Bhagavan’s Tamil teacher in school. (from Ch. 17) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Pranaams Padmaji: If you have love and compassion in your heart, that is mostly all you need to "know." And as to learning, surrender is the key to the kingdom for some of us :-) Sure beats trying to understand all those fancy words and esoteric conceptual nondualspeak!!! There are so many wonderful quotes of Sri Ramana. And yes, as if often said, he can sometimes appear inconsistent in the advice he gives. Some folks also say that he answered devotees according to their "level" of understanding. I prefer to think of it as giving to each what they needed according to their path of yoga...see the reproduction of Prof VK's post below. And yes, it talks about levels..oh, well, can't get away from them can we? ;-) Do not worry about it at all, Padmaji. Like Harshaji says, just be natural and do what feels right to you. If you surrender, truly surrender, the rest will come through the power of Grace. Love, Joyce ======================================== "Silence is the true teaching. It is the perfect teaching.It is suited only for the most advanced.Others are unable to draw full inspiration from it.Therefore they require words to explain the Truth.But Truth is beyond words.It does not admit of explanation.All that it is possible to do is only to indicate It.Silence is the best and the most potent initiation. Silent-initiation changes the hearts of all. Silent-initiation is the most perfect;It comprises looking, touching and teaching. It will purify the individual in every way and establish him in the reality. Silence is meditation without mental activity.The inner silence is self-surrender and that means living without the sense of ego.Silence comes into being when the individual is completely free from ego,when he surrenders himself totally to the Lord.Silence is truth.Silence is bliss.Silence is peace.And hence silence is the Self."~Sri Ramana ========================================================== ProfVK's post... NamasteI have recently been translating Kanchi Mahaswamigal'sDiscourses on Advaita Saadhanaa for the 'advaitin' list. Ifound the following important passage on pages 278-279 ofDeivathin Kural, Vol.6, in Tamil. I think every Hinduspiritual seeker should be aware of this. Almost everylist (touching the subject of spirituality) has recurringdiscussions on whether one on the karma path or the jnanapath has to be a devotee or not. So I am reproducing herethis beautiful verdict of the Mahaswamigal for the benefitof all on this list. In the following, 'Acharya' refers toAdi Shankaracharya.--------------------------Why did the Acharya, as well as Lord Krishna Himself,demarcate only two classes of people: those who qualify forkarma yoga and those who qualify for jnAna yoga? Why didthey not make one more classification, namely, those whoqualify for bhakti? [Note by VK: cf. B. G. III - 3]This is because, both the karma yogi and the jnAna yogineed to have bhakti. In both the classes, bhakti is animportant part and both have to do it. That is why it wasnot separated into a class by itself. The karma pathfinderhas to show bhakti at a certain level while the jnAnapathfinder has to do the same at a different level. AlreadyI have told you about two levels of shraddhA. Just as weuse the word bhakti-shraddhA, in bhakti also there are twosuch levels! - as we have two levels of courses inShorthand and Typewriting!. The lower level - karma pathfinder has to do bhakti inorder to recognise the thought that there is an Ishvaraabove us who watches us and gives punishment. He shouldthen progress in the same level and continue to do bhaktinow to focus the mind through Love. A further progress -still in the same 'lower' level, not 'higher' - would makehim carry on bhakti with the attitude of surrender of allfruits of action. And now at the higher level, the jnana pathfinder does hisbhakti with the thought: 'The Brahman or the Atman forwhich I am doing my saadhanaa, it is the same brahman that,in its saguna, is the Ishvara; it is that Ishvara who hasgranted me the taste in this path and it is only by HisGrace that I should obtain siddhi (success).Above this -- above or below, higher or lower, none ofwhich is applicable now - is the bhakti of those 'siddhas'who have reached that experiential stage (of BrahmanRealisation). For them there is no reason why they dobhakti but still they do, says Shukacharya , one suchrealised soul. (Shrimad Bhagavatam I - 7 - 10).Thus, at all levels, there is bhakti in both karma andjnAna; that is why bhakti is not separately mentioned.PraNAms to all seekers of Truth.PraNAms to Kanchi Mahaswamigal.profvk Prof. V. KrishnamurthyLatest on my website: A conversation on the Concept of God in Hinduism.http://www.geocities.com/profvk/VK2/ConceptofGOD.html - Padma Menon Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:53 AM Re: (for Padma) Pranaams Joyce, Thank you for the kind words.I looked at the messages at their face value & thus was confused. I am new to this group. If I have hurt anyone I am sorry I very sincerely asked as I am very keen to learn.Of course the delete button is there but is it the answer? Thank you once again pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough PadmaLady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Padma Menon Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:14 AM Re: Re: Living a Life's Message orig. sent in may Pranaams Yosy, I am not complaining but I am very confused. I can't make any head or tial of the messages. I though this group was to discuss, analyse & explain the teachings of the Great Guru. As you said Yosy not everyone can understand everything. But I think a concerted effort could be madeThat I thought was the core concern of this group, Looks like I am wrong. I always pray that all of us have enough of everything weneed. I hope this message of mine has enough of all that we need pranaams peace & God bless may you have enough Padma Dear Padma: It seems to me that we all need to give one another a little space to "be as we are." While the list does not encourage vacuous repetetive ramblings ad infinitum, there should be some leeway for playfullness. After all, why takes it so seriously when nothing ever happened anyway ;-) Padma, I feel you are sincere in your words and do not intend to hurt anyone with your questions or comments, so do not take my comments as a criticism of your posts, as they are not meant as such. As Yosy says, you can delete the posts of those whose words of wisdom do not strike your fancy!!! Anyway, even Bhagavan did not have all of the answers :-) ....................see below.... Love, Joyce From...Kanakammal’s Memories of Bhagavan An elderly man walked into the hall and upon seeing him, Sri Bhagavan’s behavior changed: he appeared to behave like an obedient student. The person who entered said, “Bhagavan, please clear all my doubts.” Smiling and looking at a devotee nearby, Sri Bhagavan replied, “Do you know who this person is? I came away from Madurai unable to answer his questions. Now he has come all the way here with more questions!” The visitor was Sri Bhagavan’s Tamil teacher in school. 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