Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 , "Era" <n0ndual@w...> wrote: > > > Many of them are blessed with various glimpses of > the higher life, which they have entered. These carry > the stamp of a genuine change of consciousness, and > of course the sadhaka is happy, and convinced that he > has made real progress. There is no harm in it, because > he soon has to face the fact that his 'experience' is fading > away, never to return. When this happens again and again, > he learns to understand these sparks as what they are, > glimpses from another dimension which want to teach him > to discriminate between the different dimensions but which > also lure him on in his spiritual endeavour. They only become > a pitfall, when he, by vanity or impatience, gets stuck in one > of them, taking it for final Realisation. Then his further progress is blocked. > > The mark by which this pitfall is recognised is 'I' have realised...' > This 'I' can only be a 'wrong I', because it is not the 'I' that realises. > ... > With this idea he gives his 'personal I' a strong chance to > develop into a 'spiritual I', which is much worse than his > original quite ordinary 'I', strenghtened by all his previous > spiritual effort. The result is a spiritual pride, the worse the > more advanced the sadhaka has become, because his attainments, serve only to confirm his 'right' to be proud of his success. > > But even if he perceives the gentle Voice from within, warning him > against his trend going on in him and reminding him of the secret > of real 'attainment', silent humility, and even if he is quite prepared to accept the warning, there is still the risk that the cunning ego now is concealing itself behind his pride in his humility! > > There is only one remedy against these and all other pitfalls on > the Path to Realisation: Alert Awareness, relentlessly focussing > on the treacherous ego-I. > .... > The most cunning pitfall on the path of sadhaka is the last one, > hidden in Realisation Itself. > The first Revelation of the Self is temporary."Jnana, once revealed, needs time to steady itself." (Talks, 141) > > The danger is not in the sliding back; it is natural to most sadhakas and is met quite naturally by continuing one's practice faithfully, which in its turn will lead to further Revelations of the Self until finally there is no sadhaka left, but the Self only. > > If, on the other hand, the sadhaka tries to 'hold on' to that first > Revelation, in spite of his Inner Guide warning him, (Who is holding > on?), then the ego-I slinks again in where the Self is veiled again and distorts the Revelation of the Self into the cry of victory: 'I have realised!' > > Blindfolded by the Bliss of the final 'success' (whose success?) he > never stops to scrutinize his condition and thus never finds out the truth; That he became a yoga-bhrashtha, one who has fallen out of his yoga, his 'union'. > > The new and definitive disguise of his ego-I is 'the Guru', and this > last and most powerful pitfall never releases him, because he > never recognises that he is its victim. > > There are nowadays many whose Guru-pitfall caught them even > much earlier on their path. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Lucy Cornelssen: Hunting the 'I', from pp.48-51 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > love, Era > Namaste, I tend to think that this is talking about a samadhi where the ego isn't completely destroyed...........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Yes it is so true the ego is indeed cunning as the German mystic writes..however to one that is fully awake there is no fear here. The idea of spiritual pride is more that ridiculous to one that is fully centered in his or her awakening. One needs always to be vigilant and watch this is also so true less he or she becomes a false awareness of sorts. In truth the re-discovery of who we are are..the true self is an ongoing deepening journey. To know that "I am That" is the beginning of this journey it's the crossing over the border that seemly divides the real self or the real I from the false I.However the journey certainly does not end there on the contrary it's the real beginning, it's where the mysteries begin to unfold and where words loose all there meaning as one begins to live in his new country then more and more is revealed but not in a way that one can describe to another. The is-ness deepens and deepens and in the end the person becomes simply a light for others with not a thought or need for anything..so yes be careful, be watchful but never feel that your being is anything less than what it is and it's in that is-ness that all exist it is beyond the beyond, it's the mystery that will always remain the mystery it is what it is.. And yes I agree with Tony this seems to be speaking about a specific experience and not to one who is awaken. Blessings always in the now.. Randy , "Era" <n0ndual@w...> wrote: > > > Many of them are blessed with various glimpses of > the higher life, which they have entered. These carry > the stamp of a genuine change of consciousness, and > of course the sadhaka is happy, and convinced that he > has made real progress. There is no harm in it, because > he soon has to face the fact that his 'experience' is fading > away, never to return. When this happens again and again, > he learns to understand these sparks as what they are, > glimpses from another dimension which want to teach him > to discriminate between the different dimensions but which > also lure him on in his spiritual endeavour. They only become > a pitfall, when he, by vanity or impatience, gets stuck in one > of them, taking it for final Realisation. Then his further progress is blocked. > > The mark by which this pitfall is recognised is 'I' have realised...' > This 'I' can only be a 'wrong I', because it is not the 'I' that realises. > ... > With this idea he gives his 'personal I' a strong chance to > develop into a 'spiritual I', which is much worse than his > original quite ordinary 'I', strenghtened by all his previous > spiritual effort. The result is a spiritual pride, the worse the > more advanced the sadhaka has become, because his attainments, serve only to confirm his 'right' to be proud of his success. > > But even if he perceives the gentle Voice from within, warning him > against his trend going on in him and reminding him of the secret > of real 'attainment', silent humility, and even if he is quite prepared to accept the warning, there is still the risk that the cunning ego now is concealing itself behind his pride in his humility! > > There is only one remedy against these and all other pitfalls on > the Path to Realisation: Alert Awareness, relentlessly focussing > on the treacherous ego-I. > .... > The most cunning pitfall on the path of sadhaka is the last one, > hidden in Realisation Itself. > The first Revelation of the Self is temporary."Jnana, once revealed, needs time to steady itself." (Talks, 141) > > The danger is not in the sliding back; it is natural to most sadhakas and is met quite naturally by continuing one's practice faithfully, which in its turn will lead to further Revelations of the Self until finally there is no sadhaka left, but the Self only. > > If, on the other hand, the sadhaka tries to 'hold on' to that first > Revelation, in spite of his Inner Guide warning him, (Who is holding > on?), then the ego-I slinks again in where the Self is veiled again and distorts the Revelation of the Self into the cry of victory: 'I have realised!' > > Blindfolded by the Bliss of the final 'success' (whose success?) he > never stops to scrutinize his condition and thus never finds out the truth; That he became a yoga-bhrashtha, one who has fallen out of his yoga, his 'union'. > > The new and definitive disguise of his ego-I is 'the Guru', and this > last and most powerful pitfall never releases him, because he > never recognises that he is its victim. > > There are nowadays many whose Guru-pitfall caught them even > much earlier on their path. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Lucy Cornelssen: Hunting the 'I', from pp.48-51 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > love, Era > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Dear Era, Your two mails were very apt and timely. I have strongly suspected that my ego (spiritual ego) has been on the rise even before I started off on this path. e.g being compassionate makes one feel "I am compassionate" and thus superior to those who are not. After coming to Ramana, I again feel superior to all those who are steeped in blind-faith, and who are caught in "samsara". When one tries to keep a strict eye on it, one doesn't know if that is the ego in disguise. At present I share this with Bhagavan and ask His help in dealing with it. But I could not understand the last line on the guru-pitfall (quoted below). Would appreciate if you could throw more light on this. At the feet of Beloved Ramana, Om Namo Ramanaya On 10/9/05 2:31 AM, "Era" <mi_nok wrote: > > The new and definitive disguise of his ego-I is 'the Guru', and this > last and most powerful pitfall never releases him, because he > never recognises that he is its victim. > > There are nowadays many whose Guru-pitfall caught them even > much earlier on their path. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Lucy Cornelssen: Hunting the 'I', from pp.48-51 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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