Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 well done yosy.. Randy , yosyflug <yosyflug@i...> wrote: > > i replied to this post on another list, but will post it again here... > > > - > Era > > Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:03 PM > Pitfall in Realization > > > > Many of them are blessed with various glimpses of > the higher life, which they have entered. These carry > the stamp of a genuine change of consciousness, and > of course the sadhaka is happy, and convinced that he > has made real progress. There is no harm in it, because > he soon has to face the fact that his 'experience' is fading > away, never to return. When this happens again and again, > he learns to understand these sparks as what they are, > glimpses from another dimension which want to teach him > to discriminate between the different dimensions but which > also lure him on in his spiritual endeavour. They only become > a pitfall, when he, by vanity or impatience, gets stuck in one > of them, taking it for final Realisation. Then his further progress is > blocked. > > The mark by which this pitfall is recognised is 'I' have realised...' > This 'I' can only be a 'wrong I', because it is not the 'I' that realises. > ... > With this idea he gives his 'personal I' a strong chance to > develop into a 'spiritual I', which is much worse than his > original quite ordinary 'I', strenghtened by all his previous > spiritual effort. The result is a spiritual pride, the worse the > more advanced the sadhaka has become, because his attainments, serve only to > confirm his 'right' to be proud of his success. > > But even if he perceives the gentle Voice from within, warning him > against his trend going on in him and reminding him of the secret > of real 'attainment', silent humility, and even if he is quite prepared to > accept the warning, there is still the risk that the cunning ego now is > concealing itself behind his pride in his humility! > > There is only one remedy against these and all other pitfalls on > the Path to Realisation: Alert Awareness, relentlessly focussing > on the treacherous ego-I. > .... > The most cunning pitfall on the path of sadhaka is the last one, > hidden in Realisation Itself. > The first Revelation of the Self is temporary."Jnana, once revealed, needs > time to steady itself." (Talks, 141) > > The danger is not in the sliding back; it is natural to most sadhakas and is > met quite naturally by continuing one's practice faithfully, which in its > turn will lead to further Revelations of the Self until finally there is no > sadhaka left, but the Self only. > > If, on the other hand, the sadhaka tries to 'hold on' to that first > Revelation, in spite of his Inner Guide warning him, (Who is holding > on?), > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > who is guiding? [or warning?] > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > then the ego-I slinks again in where the Self is veiled again and distorts > the Revelation of the Self into the cry of victory: 'I have realised!' > > Blindfolded by the Bliss of the final 'success' (whose success?) he > never stops to scrutinize his condition and thus never finds out the truth; > That he became a yoga-bhrashtha, one who has fallen out of his yoga, his > 'union'. > > The new and definitive disguise of his ego-I is 'the Guru', and this > last and most powerful pitfall never releases him, because he > never recognises that he is its victim. > > There are nowadays many whose Guru-pitfall caught them even > much earlier on their path. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Lucy Cornelssen: Hunting the 'I', from pp.48-51 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > very clever. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > love, Era > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > yosy > > > ps. seems lucy illustrates, as a living example, exactly what she speaks > about... "when you point a finger at another, three others point at you" > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 this description, though not perfect, is much better: The spiritual ego - Maitreya Ishwara The spiritual ego is subtle, cunning, superior, inferior and secretive. The spiritual ego develops because ego has to live somewhere until it dissolves. If you are a seeker of truth, the ego identifies with your quest and can become serious and secretly superior. The inner reality of seekers is never quite as beautiful as the ideals of their tradition and they decorate their ego so that it looks a little nicer. This is a common trap for many seekers and one from which it is difficult to escape. Authenticity and playfulness are the antidote. For this you will need support from those who are already living in this way. When the ideal is authenticity, not purity, you are free to be yourself. Authenticity and playfulness give you the space to face yourself as you are and to confront your darkness consciously. This conscious self-encounter brings purity indirectly, without the hypocritical burden of a spiritually pure ego. ~ Maitreya Ishwara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 i replied to this post on another list, but will post it again here... - Era Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:03 PM Pitfall in Realization Many of them are blessed with various glimpses of the higher life, which they have entered. These carry the stamp of a genuine change of consciousness, and of course the sadhaka is happy, and convinced that he has made real progress. There is no harm in it, because he soon has to face the fact that his 'experience' is fading away, never to return. When this happens again and again, he learns to understand these sparks as what they are, glimpses from another dimension which want to teach him to discriminate between the different dimensions but which also lure him on in his spiritual endeavour. They only become a pitfall, when he, by vanity or impatience, gets stuck in one of them, taking it for final Realisation. Then his further progress is blocked. The mark by which this pitfall is recognised is 'I' have realised...' This 'I' can only be a 'wrong I', because it is not the 'I' that realises. .... With this idea he gives his 'personal I' a strong chance to develop into a 'spiritual I', which is much worse than his original quite ordinary 'I', strenghtened by all his previous spiritual effort. The result is a spiritual pride, the worse the more advanced the sadhaka has become, because his attainments, serve only to confirm his 'right' to be proud of his success. But even if he perceives the gentle Voice from within, warning him against his trend going on in him and reminding him of the secret of real 'attainment', silent humility, and even if he is quite prepared to accept the warning, there is still the risk that the cunning ego now is concealing itself behind his pride in his humility! There is only one remedy against these and all other pitfalls on the Path to Realisation: Alert Awareness, relentlessly focussing on the treacherous ego-I. ..... The most cunning pitfall on the path of sadhaka is the last one, hidden in Realisation Itself. The first Revelation of the Self is temporary."Jnana, once revealed, needs time to steady itself." (Talks, 141) The danger is not in the sliding back; it is natural to most sadhakas and is met quite naturally by continuing one's practice faithfully, which in its turn will lead to further Revelations of the Self until finally there is no sadhaka left, but the Self only. If, on the other hand, the sadhaka tries to 'hold on' to that first Revelation, in spite of his Inner Guide warning him, (Who is holding on?), ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ who is guiding? [or warning?] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ then the ego-I slinks again in where the Self is veiled again and distorts the Revelation of the Self into the cry of victory: 'I have realised!' Blindfolded by the Bliss of the final 'success' (whose success?) he never stops to scrutinize his condition and thus never finds out the truth; That he became a yoga-bhrashtha, one who has fallen out of his yoga, his 'union'. The new and definitive disguise of his ego-I is 'the Guru', and this last and most powerful pitfall never releases him, because he never recognises that he is its victim. There are nowadays many whose Guru-pitfall caught them even much earlier on their path. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lucy Cornelssen: Hunting the 'I', from pp.48-51 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very clever. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ love, Era ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yosy ps. seems lucy illustrates, as a living example, exactly what she speaks about... "when you point a finger at another, three others point at you" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Thanks Yosy, Glad your here also of course where else would we be.. I seem to ge more a-round as time goes on.. hehe Randy , yosyflug <yosyflug@i...> wrote: > > > - > panamavolcan > > Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:20 AM > Re: Pitfall in Realization > > > well done yosy.. > Randy > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > thank you, randy... there is an aramic saying: "lahakima dai b'rmiza" - "a hint suffices to the wise" lol > > i am too lazy (and not as compassionate) to say it in as many words as you did. > > glad you are around. > > yosy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Yes it's much better indeed.. Gracias Randy , "yosyx" <yosyflug@i...> wrote: > > this description, though not perfect, is much better: > > > > The spiritual ego - Maitreya Ishwara > > > The spiritual ego is subtle, cunning, > superior, inferior and secretive. > > The spiritual ego develops because ego > has to live somewhere until it dissolves. > > If you are a seeker of truth, the ego > identifies with your quest and can become > serious and secretly superior. > > The inner reality of seekers is never quite > as beautiful as the ideals of their tradition > and they decorate their ego so that it looks > a little nicer. > > This is a common trap for many seekers and > one from which it is difficult to escape. > Authenticity and playfulness are the antidote. > > For this you will need support from those > who are already living in this way. When > the ideal is authenticity, not purity, you > are free to be yourself. > > Authenticity and playfulness give you the > space to face yourself as you are and to > confront your darkness consciously. > This conscious self-encounter brings purity > indirectly, without the hypocritical burden > of a spiritually pure ego. > > ~ Maitreya Ishwara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 - panamavolcan Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:20 AM Re: Pitfall in Realization well done yosy..Randy^^^^^^^^^^^^ thank you, randy... there is an aramic saying: "lahakima dai b'rmiza" - "a hint suffices to the wise" lol i am too lazy (and not as compassionate) to say it in as many words as you did. glad you are around. yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Who is Maitreya Ishwara? 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of yosyx Saturday, October 08, 2005 4:56 PM Re: Pitfall in Realization 12.0pt"> this description, though not perfect, is much better: The spiritual ego - Maitreya Ishwara The spiritual ego is subtle, cunning, superior, inferior and secretive. The spiritual ego develops because ego has to live somewhere until it dissolves. If you are a seeker of truth, the ego identifies with your quest and can become serious and secretly superior. The inner reality of seekers is never quite as beautiful as the ideals of their tradition and they decorate their ego so that it looks a little nicer. This is a common trap for many seekers and one from which it is difficult to escape. Authenticity and playfulness are the antidote. For this you will need support from those who are already living in this way. When the ideal is authenticity, not purity, you are free to be yourself. Authenticity and playfulness give you the space to face yourself as you are and to confront your darkness consciously. This conscious self-encounter brings purity indirectly, without the hypocritical burden of a spiritually pure ego. ~ Maitreya Ishwara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi Michael, Nice to see you again. Maitreya Ishwara seems to be a awaken teacher living in New Zealand. In his Bio which is an interesting read he had the good "luck" to sit with Poonaji, and others..his website is http://www.ishwara.com/ Blessings in the now always Randy , "Michael Bowes" <michaelbowes@c...> wrote: > > Who is Maitreya Ishwara? > > > > _____ > > [] > On Behalf Of yosyx > Saturday, October 08, 2005 4:56 PM > > Re: Pitfall in Realization > > > > this description, though not perfect, is much better: > > > > The spiritual ego - Maitreya Ishwara > > > The spiritual ego is subtle, cunning, > superior, inferior and secretive. > > The spiritual ego develops because ego > has to live somewhere until it dissolves. > > If you are a seeker of truth, the ego > identifies with your quest and can become > serious and secretly superior. > > The inner reality of seekers is never quite > as beautiful as the ideals of their tradition > and they decorate their ego so that it looks > a little nicer. > > This is a common trap for many seekers and > one from which it is difficult to escape. > Authenticity and playfulness are the antidote. > > For this you will need support from those > who are already living in this way. When > the ideal is authenticity, not purity, you > are free to be yourself. > > Authenticity and playfulness give you the > space to face yourself as you are and to > confront your darkness consciously. > This conscious self-encounter brings purity > indirectly, without the hypocritical burden > of a spiritually pure ego. > > ~ Maitreya Ishwara > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > > Yoga > </gads? t=ms&k=Yoga+clothes&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+cl > othing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6= Sri+ra > mana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=y35WTDK9l1PD8elXhRx42g> clothes > > Yoga > </gads? t=ms&k=Yoga+clothing&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+c > lothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6 =Sri+r > amana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=-ENxoNnVgfrhbrZ-Nxqzkg> clothing > > Ramana > </gads? t=ms&k=Ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga > +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy& w6=Sri > +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=RSGCcq97IMmzIc3DKsDhoQ> maharshi > > > Advaita > </gads? t=ms&k=Advaita+vedanta&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga > +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy& w6=Sri > +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=18vvvRiXng0t0-g7rL45zw> vedanta > > Eastern > </gads? t=ms&k=Eastern+philosophy&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Y > oga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosop hy&w6= > Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=BlMw-KMy-PYj7lZ5XjaSIQ> philosophy > > Sri > </gads? t=ms&k=Sri+ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2= > Yoga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philoso phy&w6 > =Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=2_su9R11LyNCZwDdr9KJog> ramana maharshi > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > <> " on the web. > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Hi Randy and everyone, 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">As my question revealed, I don’t know anything about Mr. Maitreya Ishwara. I went to his website and I see that he appears to be an “anglo” gentleman. So likely Maitreya Ishwara isn’t his given name. I wonder what it is about some people that cause them to take a “spiritual” name? Is there any possibility that it’s “spiritual ego”? On the other hand it may not be that it all. There may be some other cause. I don’t know, I’m just curious. 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I know persons whose guru gave them a name. A lot of these people use that name when they’re with the devotees and use their given name when they’re at work or with their families and friends. I only have one name. If I had a couple of names I’m afraid that I’d get confused. ;-) But it might be fun to try. :-) 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">But seriously, any ideas? 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Love, 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">michael 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of panamavolcan Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:46 AM Re: Pitfall in Realization 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Hi Michael, Nice to see you again. Maitreya Ishwara seems to be a awaken teacher living in New Zealand. In his Bio which is an interesting read he had the good "luck" to sit with Poonaji, and others..his website is http://www.ishwara.com/ Blessings in the now always Randy , "Michael Bowes" <michaelbowes@c...> wrote: > > Who is Maitreya Ishwara? > > > > _____ > > [] > On Behalf Of yosyx > Saturday, October 08, 2005 4:56 PM > > Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Pitfall in Realization > > > > this description, though not perfect, is much better: > > > > The spiritual ego - Maitreya Ishwara > > > The spiritual ego is subtle, cunning, > superior, inferior and secretive. > > The spiritual ego develops because ego > has to live somewhere until it dissolves. > > If you are a seeker of truth, the ego > identifies with your quest and can become > serious and secretly superior. > > The inner reality of seekers is never quite > as beautiful as the ideals of their tradition > and they decorate their ego so that it looks > a little nicer. > > This is a common trap for many seekers and > one from which it is difficult to escape. > Authenticity and playfulness are the antidote. > > For this you will need support from those > who are already living in this way. When > the ideal is authenticity, not purity, you > are free to be yourself. > > Authenticity and playfulness give you the > space to face yourself as you are and to > confront your darkness consciously. > This conscious self-encounter brings purity > indirectly, without the hypocritical burden > of a spiritually pure ego. > > ~ Maitreya Ishwara > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > > Yoga > </gads? t=ms&k=Yoga+clothes&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+cl > othing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6= Sri+ra > mana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=y35WTDK9l1PD8elXhRx42g> clothes > > Yoga > </gads? t=ms&k=Yoga+clothing&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+c > lothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6 =Sri+r > amana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=-ENxoNnVgfrhbrZ-Nxqzkg> clothing > > Ramana > </gads? t=ms&k=Ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga > +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy& w6=Sri > +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=RSGCcq97IMmzIc3DKsDhoQ> maharshi > > > Advaita > </gads? t=ms&k=Advaita+vedanta&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga > +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy& w6=Sri > +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=18vvvRiXng0t0-g7rL45zw> vedanta > > Eastern > </gads? t=ms&k=Eastern+philosophy&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Y > oga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosop hy&w6= > Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=BlMw-KMy-PYj7lZ5XjaSIQ> philosophy > > Sri > </gads? t=ms&k=Sri+ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2= > Yoga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philoso phy&w6 > =Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=2_su9R11LyNCZwDdr9KJog> ramana maharshi > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > <> " on the web. > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <? subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi Michael, Randy, and everyone, Dunno. But I answer to bimbo and dense b**** (very recently) all loving terms from my son at home. Banana and all variations, from friends and best of all mommy from my two kids, even at their ages. They know it gets me everytime ;-) Oh, and Michael, sometimes I actually think I'm you and in some vortex circles, we don't know who is who ;-) Love, Anna p.s. time for a sing-along. http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/doremi.htm - Michael Bowes Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:07 AM RE: Pitfall in Realization Hi Randy and everyone, As my question revealed, I don’t know anything about Mr. Maitreya Ishwara. I went to his website and I see that he appears to be an “anglo” gentleman. So likely Maitreya Ishwara isn’t his given name. I wonder what it is about some people that cause them to take a “spiritual” name? Is there any possibility that it’s “spiritual ego”? On the other hand it may not be that it all. There may be some other cause. I don’t know, I’m just curious. I know persons whose guru gave them a name. A lot of these people use that name when they’re with the devotees and use their given name when they’re at work or with their families and friends. I only have one name. If I had a couple of names I’m afraid that I’d get confused. ;-) But it might be fun to try. :-) But seriously, any ideas? Love, michael [] On Behalf Of panamavolcanSunday, October 09, 2005 5:46 AMTo: Subject: Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Pitfall in Realization Hi Michael,Nice to see you again. Maitreya Ishwara seems to be a awaken teacher living in New Zealand.In his Bio which is an interesting read he had the good "luck" to sit with Poonaji, and others..his website ishttp://www.ishwara.com/Blessings in the now alwaysRandy, "Michael Bowes" <michaelbowes@c...> wrote:>> Who is Maitreya Ishwara?> > > > _____ > > []> On Behalf Of yosyx> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 4:56 PM> To: > Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Pitfall in Realization> > > > this description, though not perfect, is much better:> > > > The spiritual ego - Maitreya Ishwara> > > The spiritual ego is subtle, cunning,> superior, inferior and secretive.> > The spiritual ego develops because ego> has to live somewhere until it dissolves.> > If you are a seeker of truth, the ego> identifies with your quest and can become> serious and secretly superior.> > The inner reality of seekers is never quite> as beautiful as the ideals of their tradition> and they decorate their ego so that it looks> a little nicer.> > This is a common trap for many seekers and> one from which it is difficult to escape.> Authenticity and playfulness are the antidote.> > For this you will need support from those> who are already living in this way. When> the ideal is authenticity, not purity, you> are free to be yourself.> > Authenticity and playfulness give you the> space to face yourself as you are and to> confront your darkness consciously.> This conscious self-encounter brings purity> indirectly, without the hypocritical burden> of a spiritually pure ego.> > ~ Maitreya Ishwara> > > > > > > > /join> > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God."> > Sri Ramana> > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > > Yoga> </gads?t=ms&k=Yoga+clothes&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+cl> othing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6=Sri+ra> mana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=y35WTDK9l1PD8elXhRx42g> clothes > > Yoga> </gads?t=ms&k=Yoga+clothing&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+c> lothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6=Sri+r> amana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=-ENxoNnVgfrhbrZ-Nxqzkg> clothing > > Ramana> </gads?t=ms&k=Ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga> +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6=Sri> +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=RSGCcq97IMmzIc3DKsDhoQ> maharshi > > > Advaita> </gads?t=ms&k=Advaita+vedanta&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga> +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6=Sri> +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=18vvvRiXng0t0-g7rL45zw> vedanta > > Eastern> </gads?t=ms&k=Eastern+philosophy&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Y> oga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6=> Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=BlMw-KMy-PYj7lZ5XjaSIQ> philosophy > > Sri> </gads?t=ms&k=Sri+ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=> Yoga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6> =Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=2_su9R11LyNCZwDdr9KJog> ramana maharshi> > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group "> <> " on the web.> > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > _____> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi Anna :>) Blessings always in the now Randy , "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > Hi Michael, Randy, and everyone, > > Dunno. But I answer to bimbo and dense b**** (very recently) all loving terms from my son at home. > > Banana and all variations, from friends and best of all mommy from my two kids, even at their ages. They know it gets me everytime ;-) > > Oh, and Michael, sometimes I actually think I'm you and in some vortex circles, we don't know who is who ;-) > > Love, > Anna > > p.s. time for a sing-along. http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/doremi.htm > > - > Michael Bowes > > Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:07 AM > RE: Pitfall in Realization > > > Hi Randy and everyone, > > > > As my question revealed, I don't know anything about Mr. Maitreya Ishwara. I went to his website and I see that he appears to be an "anglo" gentleman. So likely Maitreya Ishwara isn't his given name. I wonder what it is about some people that cause them to take a "spiritual" name? Is there any possibility that it's "spiritual ego"? On the other hand it may not be that it all. There may be some other cause. I don't know, I'm just curious. > > > > I know persons whose guru gave them a name. A lot of these people use that name when they're with the devotees and use their given name when they're at work or with their families and friends. I only have one name. If I had a couple of names I'm afraid that I'd get confused. ;-) But it might be fun to try. :-) > > > > But seriously, any ideas? > > > > Love, > > > > michael > > > > > -- ---------- > > [] On Behalf Of panamavolcan > Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:46 AM > > Re: Pitfall in Realization > > > > > Hi Michael, > > Nice to see you again. > Maitreya Ishwara seems to be a awaken teacher living in New Zealand. > In his Bio which is an interesting read he had the good "luck" to sit > with Poonaji, and others..his website is > http://www.ishwara.com/ > Blessings in the now always > Randy > > > , "Michael Bowes" > <michaelbowes@c...> wrote: > > > > Who is Maitreya Ishwara? > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > [] > > On Behalf Of yosyx > > Saturday, October 08, 2005 4:56 PM > > > > Re: Pitfall in Realization > > > > > > > > this description, though not perfect, is much better: > > > > > > > > The spiritual ego - Maitreya Ishwara > > > > > > The spiritual ego is subtle, cunning, > > superior, inferior and secretive. > > > > The spiritual ego develops because ego > > has to live somewhere until it dissolves. > > > > If you are a seeker of truth, the ego > > identifies with your quest and can become > > serious and secretly superior. > > > > The inner reality of seekers is never quite > > as beautiful as the ideals of their tradition > > and they decorate their ego so that it looks > > a little nicer. > > > > This is a common trap for many seekers and > > one from which it is difficult to escape. > > Authenticity and playfulness are the antidote. > > > > For this you will need support from those > > who are already living in this way. When > > the ideal is authenticity, not purity, you > > are free to be yourself. > > > > Authenticity and playfulness give you the > > space to face yourself as you are and to > > confront your darkness consciously. > > This conscious self-encounter brings purity > > indirectly, without the hypocritical burden > > of a spiritually pure ego. > > > > ~ Maitreya Ishwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > </gads? > t=ms&k=Yoga+clothes&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+cl > > > othing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6= > Sri+ra > > mana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=y35WTDK9l1PD8elXhRx42g> clothes > > > > Yoga > > </gads? > t=ms&k=Yoga+clothing&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga+c > > > lothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy&w6 > =Sri+r > > amana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=-ENxoNnVgfrhbrZ-Nxqzkg> clothing > > > > Ramana > > </gads? > t=ms&k=Ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga > > > +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy& > w6=Sri > > +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=RSGCcq97IMmzIc3DKsDhoQ> maharshi > > > > > > Advaita > > </gads? > t=ms&k=Advaita+vedanta&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Yoga > > > +clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosophy& > w6=Sri > > +ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=18vvvRiXng0t0-g7rL45zw> vedanta > > > > Eastern > > </gads? > t=ms&k=Eastern+philosophy&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2=Y > > > oga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philosop > hy&w6= > > Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=BlMw-KMy-PYj7lZ5XjaSIQ> > philosophy > > > > Sri > > </gads? > t=ms&k=Sri+ramana+maharshi&w1=Yoga+clothes&w2= > > > Yoga+clothing&w3=Ramana+maharshi&w4=Advaita+vedanta&w5=Eastern+philoso > phy&w6 > > =Sri+ramana+maharshi&c=6&s=128&.sig=2_su9R11LyNCZwDdr9KJog> ramana > maharshi > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group " > > <> " on the web. > > > > * > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > Yoga clothes Yoga clothing Ramana maharshi > Advaita vedanta Eastern philosophy Sri ramana maharshi > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of panamavolcan Sunday, October 09, 2005 8:46 AM Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Pitfall in Realization 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Hi Michael, Nice to see you again. Maitreya Ishwara seems to be a awaken teacher living in New Zealand. In his Bio which is an interesting read he had the good "luck" to sit with Poonaji. ___________________ bold">And font-weight:bold"> you have the good luck to be here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Yes I am happy to have the good luck to be here. Thank you I am also sorry about the bringing up Sunyata who spend much time with Ramana. Ramana himself called Sunyata a "nature born mystic" much can be found in Paul Brunton writings but I have no need to labor the point here as you say back to the program.. Blessings always in the now Randy , "Harsha" wrote: > > _____ > > > [] On Behalf Of > panamavolcan > Sunday, October 09, 2005 8:46 AM > > Re: Pitfall in > Realization > > > Hi Michael, > > Nice to see you again. > Maitreya Ishwara seems to be a awaken teacher living in > New Zealand. > In his Bio which is an interesting read he had the good > "luck" to sit > with Poonaji. > ___________________ > > And you have the good luck to be here! > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 , "panamavolcan" <panamavolcan> wrote: > > > Hi Michael, > > Nice to see you again. > Maitreya Ishwara seems to be a awaken teacher living in New Zealand. > In his Bio which is an interesting read he had the good "luck" to sit > with Poonaji, and others..his website is > http://www.ishwara.com/ > Blessings in the now always > Randy > > well, i find his description much better then lucy's; but not perfect. the "authenticity and playfulness" combined with "ideal"... hmmm... i would not call this guy "awakened". though there is some value in his observations. but the "ego", spiritual or otherwise, is a merely a condition stemming from identification, superimposed on the self, which dissapears when the reality is truly intuited. dealing with it, qualifying it etc is like speaking about color, gender, direction etc of a non-existent snake superimposed in darkness on a piece of rope... yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 , "Michael Bowes" <michaelbowes@c...> wrote: > > Hi Randy and everyone, > > > > As my question revealed, I don't know anything about Mr. Maitreya Ishwara. > I went to his website and I see that he appears to be an "anglo" gentleman. > So likely Maitreya Ishwara isn't his given name. I wonder what it is about > some people that cause them to take a "spiritual" name? Is there any > possibility that it's "spiritual ego"? On the other hand it may not be that > it all. There may be some other cause. I don't know, I'm just curious. > > > > I know persons whose guru gave them a name. A lot of these people use that > name when they're with the devotees and use their given name when they're at > work or with their families and friends. I only have one name. If I had a > couple of names I'm afraid that I'd get confused. ;-) But it might be fun > to try. :-) > > > > But seriously, any ideas? > > > > Love, > > > > michael > michael my friend, i did not bother to go to his site. it appears obvious that he is some sort of "spiritual teacher", but as i said in a reply to randy, i would not call him "awakened". his description, though better than lucy's, and having some useful observations, is still only an acurate description of his own state. and truth is not a state. yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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