Fwd: Does time exist in deep sleep?

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advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

 

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> > One might then try to get coy and suppose a consciousness

> > even devoid of the thought of successive moments.

> > Would there not still be an 'implicit time', *as if* the

> > thoughts marking the successive moments had been

> > present? Many would say yes, but I agree with you

> > that actually the answer is no, since I cannot distinguish

> > the unfolding of time from the awareness of that

> > unfolding, and hence the thought of it.

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> To me this looks like pure esse-percepi, and it seems to generate

a

> few conundrums.

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> Conundrum 1:

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> If there is no time when consciousness is devoid of the thought of

> successive moments, then there is no time in deep sleep. If there

is

> no time in deep sleep, then the time before one fell into deep

sleep

> is juxtaposed with the time that one emerged out of deep sleep. If

 

Namaste C,

 

It seems to me a little like the chicken and the egg argument about

what came first. What if there is no chicken and no egg, then what?

What if it never happened at all, no deep sleep or no day to day

consciousness?

 

I feel that Ajatavada is the truth.

 

Deep sleep is not totally devoid of illusion for itself it is a

continous thought of ignorance, it is a veil in itself. Therefore

part of the illusion.

 

If one wakes to the world having moved on whilst one is in deep

sleep it doesn't prove the world to be real or give it any greater

validity. It just proves that time doesn't exist and that deep sleep

and day to day awakeness are just different dimensions of the same

illusion.

 

One had to get to the Turiya or Sahaja State of Nirvikalpa Samadhi

to be above the illusion. Otherwise we are talking about whether it

is a snake or a rope, when neither happened in the first

place....ONS...Tony.