Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 > Hello, this is my first post here. I'd have to say I'd concur in terms of not 'pushing IT' ... as when it is awakens, it pushes of its own accord which in and of itself is quite an adjustment. If I may share ... this individual had been a meditator for a number of years, then stopped all formal practice for almost 15 years. A year ago he attended an intensive ten day/ten to twelve hours daily Vipassana meditation retreat to renew practice. Two days into simple Anapana (meditation following subtle breath - not pranayana) while seated in half lotus spontaneous and progressive unfoldment occurred: pulsing/expansion of forehead/pineal, sensations of extreme cold, facial tremors/twitches, upwards pressure on inside surface of cranium - (involuntary) straightening of spine, mouth slowly opening wide - head tilting back, tongue curling pointing to back of throat, focus shifting to ache in heart region - experience of undergoing non-physical angioplasty as heart ache expands to > sensation of solidified mass size of golf ball starting to move through a garden hose across chest to plexus, up to throat, gastro-difficulties/pain, with finale of rushing whorling energy running 'counter-clockwise' (I think) from base of spine up to crown, constricting and rattling breath with deep squeezing sensation of upper body ... frequent heart arythmia for months, awakening one night with sensation of a 'shinai' (bamboo cane) whacked across shins, attendant emotional sequellae of huge energetic releases through heart and throat, some laughter but mostly crying - experience of deep unutterable sadness identified with 'pain and suffering' of .... (sure not my own stuff), intensified intuitions later verified with applied kinesiology (a la David R. Hawkins), all settling down into an ongoing state where the subtlest in breath awakens whether with eyes open or closed, sitting or standing at the grocery check-out counter, the energetic flow and sensations of expansion - most > prominent in the forehead/crown/entire head, but extending in circuit through base of spine, to medula to crown and around again. I sit 1-2 hours daily, meditation tends to 'do me' rather than I do it' ... sometimes just hanging on and watching the sensations/energetic expressions which vary in intensity and pressure. Experiences of intermittent huge expansions of the heart, and sadness/release of tears continues - equating with loving kindness/compassion, sympathetic joy or connection with others. Sorry for going over-long, just not too many opportunities in daily life to express this amongst beings who may understand and offer comment of their own experience. I am 52 years old and look forward to finding a qualified teacher who may guide this experience appropriately, as the good folks running the vipassana course didn't seem to be able to offer much advice other than see your Family Physician to get your heart checked, and to suggest that one just continues to 'watch' the > 'sensations' .. which I do .. understanding that it is to be preferred not to become attached to, or to cultivate sensations or experiences, rather just let them arise and pass, arise and pass. That said, after a year of watching, I think it's safe (without attachment/ego identification) to ask a few questions now ... comments/suggestions welcomed. > > With metta > > Alex Hi Alex, All I can say, that I wish I would learned about Ramana's vicara first. Or Sant Mat Om meditation what strats at the thirdeye up. I first was a Kundalini yogi and went through hell to subdue the serpent, what shoud not take away my attention from meditation as the surat is needed for that. I went through incruciating pains myself.. My first reaction was to post the Stanislav Grof and his wife's pages <http://www.healthy.net/scr/interview.asp?PageType=Interview&ID=200> <http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/sep2/truheart.htm> dealing with Kundalini Emergence for Padmini. U G Krishanamurti wrote about these horrors .. http://www.well.com/user/jct/ > > > Hello > > > > I am very curious about your pranayama and Kundalini practice.Is there any specific book that could guide me in this regard. Or alternative any yogi here in US, California who could further guide me in this practice > > > > Thanks > > Padmini > > > > Best is to leave "IT" alone for a month or 2. Any attention and or spiritual sadhana, pranayama, or meditation just amplifies the problem. love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hello Alex, And welcome to the group! Thanks for your post--it's very interesting to read of your experiences with your beautiful descriptive capacity--("attendant emotional sequellae"!)--I have had a lot of similar experiences with the kundalini opening and will email you to talk a little about it, since I may get long-winded and may test the interest level of the group in general... It's true that there are not many opportunities in daily life to discuss the experiences and exchange feedback about how to integrate them, physically, emotionally, and spiritually, and those discussions can be very helpful! Best, Jill On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:33 AM, Dharma Wayfarer wrote: > Hello, this is my first post here. I'd have to say I'd concur in > terms of not 'pushing IT' ... as when it is awakens, it pushes of its > own accord which in and of itself is quite an adjustment. If I may > share ... this individual had been a meditator for a number of years, > then stopped all formal practice for almost 15 years. A year ago he > attended an intensive ten day/ten to twelve hours daily Vipassana > meditation retreat to renew practice. Two days into simple Anapana > (meditation following subtle breath - not pranayana) while seated in > half lotus spontaneous and progressive unfoldment occurred: > pulsing/expansion of forehead/pineal, sensations of extreme cold, > facial tremors/twitches, upwards pressure on inside surface of cranium > - (involuntary) straightening of spine, mouth slowly opening wide - > head tilting back, tongue curling pointing to back of throat, focus > shifting to ache in heart region - experience of undergoing > non-physical angioplasty as heart ache expands to sensation of > solidified mass size of golf ball starting to move through a garden > hose across chest to plexus, up to throat, gastro-difficulties/pain, > with finale of rushing whorling energy running 'counter-clockwise' (I > think) from base of spine up to crown, constricting and rattling > breath with deep squeezing sensation of upper body ... frequent heart > arythmia for months, awakening one night with sensation of a 'shinai' > (bamboo cane) whacked across shins, attendant emotional sequellae of > huge energetic releases through heart and throat, some laughter but > mostly crying - experience of deep unutterable sadness identified with > 'pain and suffering' of .... (sure not my own stuff), intensified > intuitions later verified with applied kinesiology (a la David R. > Hawkins), all settling down into an ongoing state where the subtlest > in breath awakens whether with eyes open or closed, sitting > or standing at the grocery check-out counter, the energetic flow and > sensations of expansion - most prominent in the forehead/crown/entire > head, but extending in circuit through base of spine, to medula to > crown and around again.  I sit 1-2 hours daily, meditation tends to > 'do me' rather than I do it' ... sometimes just hanging on and > watching the sensations/energetic expressions which vary in intensity > and pressure.  Experiences of intermittent huge expansions of the > heart, and sadness/release of tears continues - equating with loving > kindness/compassion, sympathetic joy or connection with others. Sorry > for going over-long, just not too many opportunities in daily life to > express this amongst beings who may understand and offer comment of > their own experience. I am 52 years old and look forward to finding a > qualified teacher who may guide this experience appropriately, as the > good folks running the vipassana course didn't seem to be able to > offer much advice other than see your Family Physician to get your > heart checked, and to suggest that one just continues to 'watch' the > 'sensations' .. which I do .. understanding that it is to be preferred > not to become attached to, or to cultivate sensations or experiences, > rather just let them arise and pass, arise and pass. That said, after > a year of watching, I think it's safe (without attachment/ego > identification) to ask a few questions now ... comments/suggestions > welcomed. >  > With metta >  > Alex > Era <n0ndual wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > I am very curious about your pranayama and Kundalini practice.Is > there any specific book that could guide me in this regard. Or > alternative any yogi here in US, California who could further guide me > in this practice > > > > Thanks > > Padmini > > > > Yogi Bhajan tradition: > > http://tinyurl.com/8hu99 > > http://shop.goldenbridgeyoga.com/store/ > > http://yogibhajan.com > >  namaste, Era > > > > > Era <n0ndual@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > THE MAHARSHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SEP/OCT 2005             VOL. > 15                                       \   NO. 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranayama and Kundalini > > > > > > > > > The reason I write is that I am experiencing something that I am > curious about. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing breathing exercises and kundalini work as per > traditional methods. This is used in the light of Ramana's words. I > use it to get to the silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing kumbhaka. I hold the breath and send energy up > from the base chakra to the crown. I have always sat as awareness in > the centre of my head during this. > > > > > > > > > > > > A few months ago I made efforts to sit in the spiritual heart. > When I do go deep into the silence the reference to the body drops. > > > > > > > > > > > > Three or four months ago this kumbhaka started to go into > nirvikalpa samadhi, I think. I had to catch myself from hitting the > floor. I have been always sitting in a chair. Sitting in the lotus > position is supposed to help one from hitting the floor, but my spine > is straighter in a chair. Recently I have > > > > > > been meditating on a bed without the support. I have been scared > of hitting the floor or possibly going into nirvikalpa samadhi around > people who do not know what this is about. > > > > > > So I have been holding onto physical awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > A few months ago during breath retention, my whole mental body > would disappear. I would be almost disorientated as there was no me, > or mind — just the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > In a traditional American Indian ceremonial room, I was sitting in > a half lotus position during my kundalini and breath sadhana. I bent > forward with my head on the ground and then inhaled as I straightened > back up. I was like someone > > > > > > hit a restart button on a computer. I opened my eyes and had no > idea how long I was out, where I was sitting in relation to the doors > (as it is a tippee structure with two doors and is uniform on the > inside). > > > > > > > > > > > > I am getting an electrical-type shock around the right side. It > comes and goes. It has been happening for around two months now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence my concern. I have had numerous phenomena happen over the > years, but nothing that has lasted like this. I have tried to close my > heart chakra > > > > > > with visualizations, but this does not seem to help relieve the > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be because I am holding onto the body in meditation? I am > not sure. Maybe it has something to do with energy work? > > > > > > But it seems to be localized in the spiritual heart that Ramana > talked about, and is mentioned in scripture. > > > > > > > > > > > > The American Indians call it the "First Assemblage Point of > Awareness." > > > > > > > > > I am hoping you have some words for me concerning this. Maybe you > know someone who is advanced and knowledgable, concerning this sadhana > of mine. > > > > > > > > > —Namaste, Canadian Seeker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a friend, I must give you a warning. If you are doing > pranayama, not in the manner prescribed by Bhagavan, and not under the > guidance of a qualified > > > > > > yogi or teacher, you must be very cautious. It can result in an > unbalanced state. > > > > > > Read what Bhagavan says on pranayama. > > > > > > The focus must always be on the Self, or the `I-consciousness', > not on chakras, visualizations, kundalini, etc. > > > > > > Please be cautious. > > > > > > Bhagavan has given us a simple and straight path. It is a safe one > too. > > > > > > By turning to Him, He will guide you. > > > > > > > > > > > > —Editor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comment: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mixing the way of SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI with other ways - in these > case with the way of Castandeda – can be very dangerous and > contra-productive at least..... > > > > > > > > > Michael Bindel > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, mixing any path is creating chaos. > > > > Slipping into samadhi one leaves with the Surat [current of > intellect] the body behind, no concern where one falls.. usually one > stoops forward. > > > > If one already reached Ramana's teaching of Self-Inquiry you don't > need anything more. Vichara does not include concentrationg on the > heart. > > > > What you described is called Spiritual, or Kundalini Emergence. > > Kundalini can be amplified and be the spiritual ego, when someone > pushes to hard, or is driven. > > It is hard to disassociate from it and can lead to psychotic brake, > but can be treated also. > > > > Stanislav Grof did research on this and his wife has the best clinic > in San Fransico. > > > > Good book about the medic side: Stanislav Grof The Holotropic Mind > > > > <http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/holotropic_mind.html> > > > > His wifes' clinic: > > <http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/sep2/truheart.htm> > > > > http://www.spiritmoving.com/SENarticles/SpiritPsychosis.html > > > > Best is to leave "IT" alone for a month or 2. Any attention and or > spiritual sadhana, pranayama, or meditation just amplifies the > problem. > > > >  Love, > >  Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > > > > Yoga clothes Sri ramana maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > >    Visit your group "" on the web. > >  > >    > > > >  > >    Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >              > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "" on the web. >  > ▪  >  >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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