PRANAYAMA AND KUNDALINI

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, Dharma Wayfarer

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> Hello, this is my first post here. I'd have to say I'd concur in

terms of not 'pushing IT' ... as when it is awakens, it pushes of

 

Namaste,

 

Kundalini is the mind, it is everywhere and everything. What you are

experiencing is a movement of prana, probably cleansing your kosas

in some way. It is a distraction and not necessary for realisation.

K or a purified mind will rise by itself imperceptibly without all

the bells and whistles, if one channels it into japa or some other

form of concentration. K cannot in any way result in liberation or

realisation, so it is not so efficacious to be distracted by these

energies, they belong to illusion. I and many others have had some

experiences, I found they are best ignored unless one wants to

practice siddhis or something. In essence they are in the mind and

imagination.

It seems to me that the more cleansing that needs to be done the

more the activity.......nothing really to boast about hahahaahah.

 

I would just stick to your Vipassana and ignore the

energies....ONS..Tony.

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Hi Jill,

Please tell us all. Don't hold back.

Hope all is well.

Harsha

Jill Eggers wrote:

Hello Alex,

And welcome to the group! Thanks for your post--it's very interesting

to read of your experiences with your beautiful descriptive

capacity--("attendant emotional sequellae"!)--I have had a lot of

similar experiences with the kundalini opening and will email you to

talk a little about it, since I may get long-winded and may test the

interest level of the group in general... It's true that there are

not many opportunities in daily life to discuss the experiences and

exchange feedback about how to integrate them, physically,

emotionally, and spiritually, and those discussions can be very

helpful!

Best,

Jill

On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:33 AM, Dharma Wayfarer wrote:

Hello, this is my first post here.  I'd have to say I'd

concur in terms of not 'pushing IT' ... as when it is awakens, it

pushes of its own accord which in and of itself is quite an

adjustment.  If I may share ... this individual had been a meditator

for a number of years, then stopped all formal practice for almost 15

years.  A year ago he attended an intensive ten day/ten to twelve

hours daily Vipassana meditation retreat to renew practice.  Two days

into simple Anapana (meditation following subtle breath - not

pranayana) while seated in half lotus spontaneous and progressive

unfoldment occurred:  pulsing/expansion of forehead/pineal, sensations

of extreme cold, facial tremors/twitches, upwards pressure on inside

surface of cranium - (involuntary) straightening of spine, mouth

slowly opening wide - head tilting back, tongue curling pointing to

back of throat, focus shifting to ache in heart region - experience of

undergoing non-physical angioplasty as heart ache expands to sensation

of solidified mass size of golf ball starting to move through a garden

hose across chest to plexus, up to throat, gastro-difficulties/pain,

with finale of rushing whorling energy running 'counter-clockwise' (I

think) from base of spine up to crown, constricting and rattling

breath with deep squeezing sensation of upper body ... frequent heart

arythmia for months, awakening one night with sensation of a 'shinai'

(bamboo cane) whacked across shins, attendant emotional sequellae of

huge energetic releases through heart and throat, some laughter but

mostly crying - experience of deep unutterable sadness identified with

'pain and suffering' of .... (sure not my own stuff), intensified

intuitions later verified with applied kinesiology (a la David R.

Hawkins), all settling down into an ongoing state where the subtlest

in breath awakens whether with eyes open or closed, sitting

or standing at the grocery check-out counter, the energetic flow and

sensations of expansion - most prominent in the forehead/crown/entire

head, but extending in circuit through base of spine, to medula to

crown and around again.  I sit 1-2 hours daily, meditation tends to

'do me' rather than I do it' ... sometimes just hanging on and

watching the sensations/energetic expressions which vary in intensity

and pressure.   Experiences of intermittent huge expansions of the

heart, and sadness/release of tears continues - equating with loving

kindness/compassion, sympathetic joy or connection with others.  Sorry

for going over-long, just not too many opportunities in daily life to

express this amongst beings who may understand and offer comment of

their own experience.  I am 52 years old and look forward to finding a

qualified teacher who may guide this experience appropriately, as the

good folks running the vipassana course didn't seem to be able to

offer much advice other than see your Family Physician to get your

heart checked, and to suggest that one just continues to 'watch' the

'sensations' .. which I do .. understanding that it is to be preferred

not to become attached to, or to cultivate sensations or experiences,

rather just let them arise and pass, arise and pass.  That said, after

a year of watching, I think it's safe (without attachment/ego

identification) to ask a few questions now ... comments/suggestions

welcomed.

 

With metta

 

Alex

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On Behalf Of Dharma Wayfarer

Thursday, November 10, 2005

2:34 AM

Re: Re: PRANAYAMA AND

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Alex

12.0pt"> Sorry for going over-long, just not too many opportunities in

daily life to express this amongst beings who may understand and offer comment

of their own experience.

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I know what you mean Alex. There are

times in our lives when we want to converse with others who have had similar experiences,

or who are interested in the spiritual life. Even revered spiritual

personages have expressed their innermost experiences and feelings to others

persons. If they hadn’t, then we wouldn’t know certain

important details about them. And we wouldn’t have wonderful

scriptures and books to guide and aid us.

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Most spiritual, psychic, and “supernatural”

experiences serve to inspire us to continue on our quest. They may not

really mean anything in and of themselves; but those experiences teach us that

there is definitely something more to life than we already know.

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Alex

12.0pt"> I am 52 years old and look forward to finding a qualified

teacher who may guide this experience appropriately…

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">The greatest most qualified teacher of all

is your very own Self. This teacher is always with you and is the true

guru. But how can one gain the grace of the true guru? One awakens

to the guidance of the true guru through a burning, selfless, desire for the

ultimate spiritual truth.

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I am certain that nearly every serious

sadhaka will have a great devotion to some kind of spiritual ideal during their

quest. Even Sri Ramana appeared to have a great devotion to Arunachala.

An overwhelming desire for the Supreme, a willingness to sacrifice everything, those

are the keys that unlock the door to true infallible spiritual guidance. Without

this ingredient you can wander the world to find the “qualified teacher”

and never find it. That teacher is always present and always willing to

bestow grace, blessings and upadesa to all.

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12.0pt">With metta

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Warm regards,

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">michael