Alex/kundalini

[Guest guest]

On Nov 10, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Harsha wrote:

> Hi Jill,

>

>

>

> Please tell us all. Don't hold back.

>

>

> Hope all is well.

>

>

> Harsha

>

 

OK, Harsha, I won't--I can't say no to you! I hope all is well with

you, too, Harsha. I haven't talked with you in a while but you have

been in my thoughts often.

 

Alex, in addition to talking about your experiences here, there are

kundalini lists where you can be in touch with others who have had

experiences relating to your own. One person on this list who is

helpful in describing and talking about these states is Pieter, and if

he is reading, will probably respond. He writes so beautifully about

the expanding states of consciousness associated with kundalini

opening, and ways of understanding how that can manifest in and alter

the physical, mental, and emotional body as it takes it course. There

is a book by a guy called Gopi Krishna, Kundalini, about his kundalini

opening, that may be of interest to you, also, if you can handle the

redundancy of the writing.

 

I had experiences similar to yours beginning when experiencing

kundalini opening in 1992. I had practiced daily meditation for

about 18 years at that time. Except for the golf ball part, what you

describe all rings familiar to my experience. The physical, mental,

emotional experiences of the kundalini activity have been myriad and

daily for the past 13 years. Tony suggested that the more activity

raised by kundalini in the mind and body, the more stuff one has to be

cleansed, or something to that effect, and he's probably right--meaning

I was some pretty dense and difficult matter, as this process included

years of painful and fearful physical and emotional experiences for me.

But most central were the ecstatic states at the beginning of

kundalini opening, that completely altered the course of life, or my

understanding of life's purpose, and my behavior from that point

forward.

 

But the kundalini process manifested in many ways on all levels, as you

describe, including the physical, in producing involuntary yoga

positions, movements in different parts of the body, laughter, other

sounds--roaring like a lion, speaking unknown languages, strange stuff

like that, all manner of kriyas. In the emotional realm, what I really

relate to in your writing is your experience of states of emotion that

are interpersonal, as the heart consciousness opens and expands. I

experience these passages into openness, marked by release of stored

personal emotions in weeping and laughing, and then moving into

processing and feeling the emotions of others, on a wider and wider

range...first, those that were physically near, and then, it seems,

moving into wider scopes of emotional awareness, like a radio with an

increasingly broader band. The experience of feeling the feelings of

others and what you describe as the increase in feelings of

lovingkindness and compassion for others has been for me one of the

most powerful parts of the experience, to live more and more in the

heart-centered place that expands outward as it also draws one inward

to a deep, silky place of silent peaceful awareness--the sense of

'outward' and 'inward' feeling clumsy here, but a way of describing

experiencing the self as an expanding field of consciousness in which

the body and mind arise, with self or heart as center, a sensing of the

heart-space as the point of awareness arising and subsiding, between

outgoing waves of loving consciousness and returning to the source of

being, awareness.

 

Your experiences sound very graceful and rich, and without the kinds of

difficulties many have with the opening of kundalini. Given the

smoothness of your experience, if your heart seems ok, you may not find

you continue to want a teacher to guide it--as you have found it is

intelligence itself and follows its own timing and path. My experience

with kundalini activity was that it was burning too high and too fast,

and it was difficult to integrate the experiences and maintain

functioning in the physical. I did find a teacher who could help with

that. I met an Indian teacher, Sri Anandi Ma. I asked her if she

could help me, and she said she could help keep the kundalini down,

manageable. I received shaktipat initiation from her five years ago,

and since then have had a more graceful, manageable experience.

 

There has not been a day in the past 13 that I haven't experienced some

activity of the kundalini, with kriyas, mudras, languages, and other

simple physical manifestations a regular occurrance (in the car,

driving to work, at home when alone, etc.), as well as the more complex

ones as the small self unfolds and is shed, and the consciousness opens

out to wider ranges of inner and outer experince. But the path of the

changes has become smooth and graceful rather than turbulent or painful

in past years.

 

Many talk about the illusory and unimportant nature of the experiences,

and the necessity of non-attachment in relation to them. As well as

realizing that, we also do often experience our response to the

kundalini activity as we might experience any change or new arrival in

our lives--sometimes the experiences are astonishing, or surprising,

sometimes they are like a new tool for our interpersonal or spiritual

growth that we can't wait to put to use, sometimes it is like Christmas

morning, to find ourselves in this new state or able to see things in a

new way. So in my experience it is natural to respect and enjoy theses

changes, as well as open to letting it pass through without attachment.

 

Kundalini is not the mind, nor a product of the mind, but the force

that enables the creation/ manifestation of the mind and body, and

governs the process opening to the self. To my experience it is like a

fast-forward of the evolutionary process of shedding the layers of

desire, of the smaller self, layer by layer, through all levels of

experience.

 

(Sorry this is really wordy.)

 

Best,

 

Jill

> Jill Eggers wrote:

>

> Hello Alex,

>

> And welcome to the group! Thanks for your post--it's very interesting

> to read of your experiences with your beautiful descriptive

> capacity--("attendant emotional sequellae"!)--I have had a lot of

> similar experiences with the kundalini opening and will email you to

> talk a little about it, since I may get long-winded and may test the

> interest level of the group in general... It's true that there are

> not many opportunities in daily life to discuss the experiences and

> exchange feedback about how to integrate them, physically,

> emotionally, and spiritually, and those discussions can be very

> helpful!

>

> Best,

>

> Jill

>

>

>

> On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:33 AM, Dharma Wayfarer wrote:

>

>

> Hello, this is my first post here.  I'd have to say I'd concur in

> terms of not 'pushing IT' ... as when it is awakens, it pushes of its

> own accord which in and of itself is quite an adjustment.  If I may

> share ... this individual had been a meditator for a number of years,

> then stopped all formal practice for almost 15 years.  A year ago he

> attended an intensive ten day/ten to twelve hours daily Vipassana

> meditation retreat to renew practice.  Two days into simple Anapana

> (meditation following subtle breath - not pranayana) while seated in

> half lotus spontaneous and progressive unfoldment occurred: 

> pulsing/expansion of forehead/pineal, sensations of extreme cold,

> facial tremors/twitches, upwards pressure on inside surface of cranium

> - (involuntary) straightening of spine, mouth slowly opening wide -

> head tilting back, tongue curling pointing to back of throat, focus

> shifting to ache in heart region - experience of undergoing

> non-physical angioplasty as heart ache expands to sensation of

> solidified mass size of golf ball starting to move through a garden

> hose across chest to plexus, up to throat, gastro-difficulties/pain,

> with finale of rushing whorling energy running 'counter-clockwise' (I

> think) from base of spine up to crown, constricting and rattling

> breath with deep squeezing sensation of upper body ... frequent heart

> arythmia for months, awakening one night with sensation of a 'shinai'

> (bamboo cane) whacked across shins, attendant emotional sequellae of

> huge energetic releases through heart and throat, some laughter but

> mostly crying - experience of deep unutterable sadness identified with

> 'pain and suffering' of .... (sure not my own stuff), intensified

> intuitions later verified with applied kinesiology (a la David R.

> Hawkins), all settling down into an ongoing state where the subtlest

> in breath awakens whether with eyes open or closed, sitting

> or standing at the grocery check-out counter, the energetic flow and

> sensations of expansion - most prominent in the forehead/crown/entire

> head, but extending in circuit through base of spine, to medula to

> crown and around again.  I sit 1-2 hours daily, meditation tends to

> 'do me' rather than I do it' ... sometimes just hanging on and

> watching the sensations/energetic expressions which vary in intensity

> and pressure.   Experiences of intermittent huge expansions of the

> heart, and sadness/release of tears continues - equating with loving

> kindness/compassion, sympathetic joy or connection with others.  Sorry

> for going over-long, just not too many opportunities in daily life to

> express this amongst beings who may understand and offer comment of

> their own experience.  I am 52 years old and look forward to finding a

> qualified teacher who may guide this experience appropriately, as the

> good folks running the vipassana course didn't seem to be able to

> offer much advice other than see your Family Physician to get your

> heart checked, and to suggest that one just continues to 'watch' the

> 'sensations' .. which I do .. understanding that it is to be preferred

> not to become attached to, or to cultivate sensations or experiences,

> rather just let them arise and pass, arise and pass.  That said, after

> a year of watching, I think it's safe (without attachment/ego

> identification) to ask a few questions now ... comments/suggestions

> welcomed.

>  

> With metta

>  

> Alex

>

>

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ▪  Visit your group "" on the web.

>  

> ▪  

>  

>  

> ▪   Terms of

> Service.

>

>

>

>

>

Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored]