Is this site a Ramana site?

November 11, 2005

your words and your message is clear

due to "human nature" most of those who are "on the spiritual path"

get "lost" as soon as they are attracted to "siddhis" instead to

selfinquire a n d complete surrender

in due respect for your clear message

michael

Tony OClery <aoclery > wrote:

Namaste,IMHO,First of all most who know me also know that I have had

these pranic experiences commonly, and grossly mistakenly referred to

as Kundalini. I can still observe the movement of energies in pre

meditation, but that is as far as it goes.Kundalini IS the mind and

is in the imagination. It doesn't confer any enlightenment, or

realisation. The real K doesn't rise in the muladhara and rise to the

sahasrara. It rises in the 'Heart' and must return and die there. All

else may result in attachment to energies and perhaps siddhis but that

is all.........just rubbish Ramakrishna would say.Ramana says the true

K rises with Self-Enquiry, so does Lakshmana Swamy and even Sarada

Devi said it will rise with Japa imperceptibly.Why people get

diverted by this energy distraction I don't know. Ramana advised his

devotees not to practise it as it was unnecessary and dangerous.Be as

you are pages 142 onwards, No mind I am the Self pps 99

onwards.ONS....Tony.

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November 11, 2005

Dear Tony-O:

Since when did you go from being moderated to being

moderator? If some folks want or need to talk about it,

what is the problem? In a post which followed this one,

you quoted Ramana, which contradicts your own statements

herein. Please read him more carefully before you go

around interpreting him to the detriment and confusion

of those who are new to his teachings.

And while it is true that Ramana did caution against the

practice of kundalini yoga, not all folks are practicing

it when the "real K" awakens. All the more reason for them

to want to understand what is happening. While one

may clearly know that Grace is at work, to share with

others to aid one's own understanding is one purpose

of sangha, no? And this is a sangha, no?

Anyway, quoting Ramana again, so you can read it again :-)...

"If one concentrates on the Sahasrara there is no doubt that the

ecstasy of Samadhi ensues. The Vasanas, that is the latent mental

tendencies, are not however destroyed. The yogi is therefore bound

to wake up from the Samadhi because release from bondage has not yet

been accomplished. He must still try to eradicate the Vasanas

inherent in him so that they cease to disturb the peace of his

Samadhi. So he passes down from the Sahasrara to the Heart through

what is called the Jivanadi, which is only a continuation of the

Sushumna. The Sushumna is thus a curve. It starts from the lowest

Chakra, rises through the spinal cord to the brain and from there

bends down and ends in the Heart. When the yogi has reached the

Heart, the Samadhi becomes permanent. Thus we see that the Heart is

the final centre."