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Era <mi_nok wrote:

 

 

What does Sri Ramana mean when he says "I-I"?

 

 

In the Tamil dialect that Ramana spoke, there is no equivalent word for "me".

 

Ramana thus used "I" to denote the personal identified self-the "me" and used

"I-I" to point to the un-identified, Universal Self.

 

 

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A:

 

By the one Christ I mean the

living God, awakeness, the Self,

I am, I-I, etc...

 

I have heard, but can quote no reference, that in the oldest Aramaic (Jesus'

spoken language) manuscript, John 14.6 reads

"I-I (eha eha) am the way the

truth and the light" Interesting

that near 2000 yrs later in another part of the world Ramana Maharshi, knowing

nothing of Aramaic manuscripts would use

the same construction in speaking

of the Self, to be found by

anyone by enquiring "Who am I?"

 

Interesting that the translations

would turn it into the personal and individual I.

 

By individual appearances and personalities no more than that;

transitory appearance,

transparent masks, I mean that

is all we are as material beings,

without substance beyond the purely physical, except for the indwelling and

universal Christ

or Self, which is

fundamentally all that is.

 

I said "as I see it, and that's

all that need be said because

I have no interest in arguing or attemting to convince anyone

that I am right. It is truly how

I see the world, how I see people.

A

 

Dear A:

 

I agree with your assessment. Christ is a beautiful symbol of

how the ego must be sacrificed in

order to merge with the God-head.

A question for you, if you will:

What does Sri Ramana mean when

he says "I-I"?

 

Does it mean "I am I"? Or, what

do you think?

 

Yes, I am I.

 

It's I absolute, I without reference to or dependancy on anything. The hyphen is

an

artifact of writing it down.

Ramana said I I .

 

""I am" is the name of God. Of all

the definitions of God, none is

indeed so well put as the

Biblical statement "I am that I am" in Exodus (Chapter 3)."

Sri Ramana Maharshi, Talks With

Sri Ramana Maharshi, Talk 106,

page 102.

 

Another reflection, the rastas say "I and I" as you hear in reggae songs because

"I and you" or

"I and him" implies a division.

 

D: Arunachala Siva : verses

http://tinyurl.com/bes22

 

The Lamsa Bible [from arameic]

 

<http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Scriptures/LBP.htm>

 

love, Era

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, "Era" <n0ndual@w...> wrote:

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>

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> A:

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> By the one Christ I mean the

> living God, awakeness, the Self,

> I am, I-I, etc...

>

> I have heard, but can quote no reference, that in the oldest

Aramaic (Jesus' spoken language) manuscript, John 14.6 reads

> "I-I (eha eha) am the way the

> truth and the light" Interesting

> that near 2000 yrs later in another part of the world Ramana

Maharshi, knowing nothing of Aramaic manuscripts would use

> the same construction in speaking

> of the Self, to be found by

> anyone by enquiring "Who am I?"

>

 

Namaste,

 

You know I had that quoted to me so many times, by different

fundamentalists. But it takes on a whole new meaning when it is eha-

eha. I didn't know it was written like that...thank you, you learn

something everyday..........Tony

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>What is I-I?

 

In my own words, I think Ramana was refering to "I-I" as

the "universal-I" which is the universal consiousness or existence,

experienced when the mind is silenced. Having experienced that in

meditation is not enlightenment; since the vasana's still continue to

be their. Continuing to be as the experience self till the end; is

enlightenment.

 

I remember a famous cricketer Kapil Dev saying that "becoming a

champion" is not mark/stage which one can claim that he/she has

achieved it. The one continues to stay as "champion" will be called

one, once he continued to retain this "championship" till the end.

 

Essentially, when the world calls a person "champion", he is no more

to experience it. :)

 

The other way to look is that "The universal-I which is behind the

FALSE 'I' or ego". The "I" behind this familiar "I" making it "I-I".

 

Regards

Dileep

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RamanaMaharshi, "dileepsimha" <dsimha@h...> wrote:

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> The other way to look is that "The universal-I which is behind the

> FALSE 'I' or ego". The "I" behind this familiar "I" making it "I-I".

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> Regards

> Dileep

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Hello, Dileep:

 

Yes, your analogy above makes perfect sense. The thought "I", or

spoken "I", is merely a shadowy reflection of the true "I", or the

Self. The body-mind is a modification of the true "I" and projects a

thought-shadow which is the pseudo-"I" or illusory ego-"I". Hence,

there is the Self, or the real "I", and, the thought "I", which is

only an ephemeral modification of the real "I": the "I-I".

 

Thanks.

 

sincerely,

 

dannyc

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