Sri Ramana and Aurobindo

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Dear John,

 

Thanks John. What you say is completely true. Guidance can be critical

when the Shakti manifests in a forceful way. An uncontrolled eruption

that one does not understand can requires years of patience and

suffering and cause much anxiety and states of fear before it

stabilizes. In the normal process of meditation and spiritual practices,

ascending and descending forces are natural. Ascendence is more common

and usually happens first. The Shakti rises above to Sahasarara and from

the Sahasarara, the force comes down as well throughout the body. There

is no single ascent or descent but a variety of such ascending and

descending experiences of Shakti possible.

 

Guidance is very helpful. That is why like minded people gather in the

sangha.

 

Harsha

 

 

 

John Logan wrote:

> Harsha,

> This is quite correct, if one has entered the Cave of the Heart.

> However until that occurs

> there may well be much movement of "forces ascending and descending"

> and the initiate

> who is experiencing them may well need guidance and grounding.

>

> If such experiences occur spontaneously there may be much concern

> about what is

> occurring because the person doesn't understand what is happening. In

> the NonDual

> perspective the response to such phenomena is to observe, and ask "To

> whom is this

> occurring? Who am I?" Yes?

>

> JL

>

> , Harsha wrote:

> >

> > Sri Ramana was familiar with Sri Aurbindo's teachings and thought that

> > these were things well known and stated by many ancient works but had

> > been put in a new packaging using new terms by Aurbindo. He read

> some of

> > Aurbindo's works in one night when a devotee brought him a book.

> > Sometimes people from Aurbindo's Ashram would come to Ramana Ashram and

> > vice versa as well. The difference between Sri Ramana and Aurbindo is

> > very simple and fundamental. Sri Ramana taught stillness and to

> abide in

> > the Self, the Heart that is the source of all activities. Aurbindo is

> > all about activity and, in fact, focuses on mental and supramental

> > activity. Ascent and descent of divine forces, etc.

> >

> > The Heart Sri Ramana spoke about is not the heart-center of kundalini

> > yoga but the two are often mixed up. These two are not the same and Sri

> > Ramana pointed that out many times. The Heart that Sri Ramana refers to

> > is beyond time and space and all activities and is the Self Aware

> > Presence abiding as It Self. From the perspective of the mind, the

> > Heart, the Self has a location. The ancients called it the cave of the

> > Heart. Upon entering it, everything disappears including the location

> > and Self is known in its fullness in its own nature by it Self as the

> > Eternal Self Knowing, Self Bliss, Self Existence, that has always been.

> > So the question of ascent and descent of forces is moot in

> Self-Realization.

> >

> > In Bhagavan

> > Harsha

> >