The Dalai Lama talks Turkey

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Tony OClery

Thursday, November 24, 2005 7:56 PM

Re: The Dalai Lama talks Turkey

, "Era" <n0ndual@w...> wrote:>> >

> ...no one gets to come to the Thanksgiving table looking

condescendingly at anyone else. Namaste,To me the DaLai Lama is a

great political and religious leader, the fact he eats meat precludes

me from supposing he is an enlightened being...Tony.

Totally silly

[Guest guest]

That may all be true an noble.. but the assertion that a person who

eats meat cannot be enlightened does not follow.

Sam

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Tony OClery

Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:41 PM

Re: The Dalai Lama talks Turkey

, Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...>

wrote:>> > - > Tony OClery >

> Thursday, November 24,

2005 7:56 PM> Re: The Dalai

Lama talks Turkey> > > , "Era"

<n0ndual@w...> wrote:> >> > > > > > ...no one gets to come to

the Thanksgiving table looking > condescendingly at anyone else. > >

Namaste,> > To me the DaLai Lama is a great political and

religious leader, the > fact he eats meat precludes me from

supposing he is an enlightened > being...Tony.> Totally sillyAs

Dr. Albert Schweitzer tells us:"I cannot but have reverence for all

that is called life. I cannot avoid compassion for everything that is

called life. That is the beginning of morality. Once a man has

experienced it and continues to do so he/she is ethical. He carries

morality within him/her and can never lose it, for it continues to

develop within him. He who has never experienced this has only a set

of superficial principles.These theories have no root in him, they do

not belong to him, and they fall off him......Reverence for life

comprises the whole ethic of love in its deepest and highest sense.

It is the source of constant renewal for the individual and for

mankind.(Respect for life is compassion, which is a prerequisite for

understanding.)(Schweitzer pp 116-177) (1)Ghandiji said; "Cow

protection is to me one of the most wonderful phenomena in human

evolution. It takes the human being beyond his species. The cow to me

means the entire subhuman world. Man through the cow is enjoined to

realise his identity with all that lives...She is the mother to

millions of Indian (and others), mankind.We should cultivate certain

desirable practices. For instance we should regulate our diet,

because one's food influences one's thoughts. Eating animal food

promotes animal tendencies. Those who take to the spiritual path

should avoid as much as possible bad practices. There is no meaning

in professing to respect human values without observing the rule that

you should cause NO HARM to others in any form whatsoever."

[Guest guest]

Look this is the way I see it pure and simple there is really no

karma, no birth or death..there really only is what IS..the idea that

eating meat will somehow retard a person progress is as bogus as

saying that you need to do some kind of efforting to be Awaken..all

of this has to do with mind/ego maya and has nothing to do with the

pure Awareness that you are..it's all a ego game that pushes one away

from the truth of who they are..IMHO

Randy

 

 

 

, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

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> , Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...>

wrote:

> >

> > That may all be true an noble.. but the assertion that a person

> who eats meat cannot be enlightened does not follow.

> >

> > Sam

>

> Namaste,

>

> Sure it does, it shows a violation of Ahimsa and no Daya or

> compassion for the animals etc.

>

> The only person who can eat meat, in that context, is one who is

> already Realised and just eats whatever is put in his bowl, with no

> desire/attachment or a lack of awareness of the fact the animal was

> tortured and killed.

>

> I'm not saying all who eat meat aren't on the path, I'm just saying

> they haven't developed Daya as yet, which is a requirement for

> Moksha...Tony.

>