The Dalai Lama talks Turkey

[Guest guest]

panamavolcan wrote:

Look this is the way I see it pure and simple there is really no

karma, no birth or death..there really only is what IS..the idea that

eating meat will somehow retard a person progress is as bogus as

saying that you need to do some kind of efforting to be Awaken..all

of this has to do with mind/ego maya and has nothing to do with the

pure Awareness that you are..it's all a ego game that pushes one away

from the truth of who they are..IMHO

Randy

Randy, if there's no karma, birth or death,

why not stop eating, drinking and breathing?

That would make a discussion like this superfluous

and leave the mind vacuous (empty).

On the web there are countless sites mentioning the

benefits of "sattvic food" like this one:

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm

Food plays a prominent place in

Yoga-Sadhana. An aspirant should be very careful

in the selection of articles of Sattvic nature especially in the

beginning of his Sadhana

period. Later on when Siddhi is attained, drastic dietetic restrictions

can be removed.

Purity of food leads to purity of mind. Sattvic food helps meditation.

The discipline of

food is very very necessary for Yogic Sadhana. If the tongue is

controlled, all the other

Indriyas are controlled.

“Ahara-suddhau sattva-suddhih, sattva-suddhau dhruva smritih;

Smriti-lambhe

sarva-granthinam viprarnokshah—By the purity of food follows the

purification of the

inner nature, by the purification of the nature, memory becomes firm

and on strengthening

the memory, follows the loosening of all ties and the wise get Moksha

thereby.”

Of course, nothing

is more sattvic than stopping with eating, drinking and

breathing as there is no karma, birth or death ;-)

Jan

[Guest guest]

Tony OClery wrote:

, Harsha wrote:

*No one is blaming you Randy. Eat and drink what you want. Some

vegetarians may view your comparison between carrot and steak to be

in

bad taste. As said before, food is a very personal matter. I used to

eat

meat. I also ate fish for many years. Now I am a vegetarian. That is

how

things are. What is natural at one time becomes unnatural at

another. If

one is authentic in the moment, one has done what can be done. To be

spiritually proud because we eat certain foods or meditate or follow

some great teacher, or know samadhis or are wise and enlightened

etc.,

is just another burden.

Namaste H,

I agree with much of what you say but many aren't spiritually proud

because they are veggies. Perhaps they just don't like violence and

cruelty?..............ONS...Tony.

It's much simpler: even a lizard, snake or

croc can behave like a

pet:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1606712.html

Animals share much DNA and hence, many

behavioral properties.

A picture of Ramana with the cow Lakshmi is a story itself.

In the West, dogs and cats are pets whereas in the PRC they're

considered edible meat. In India, cows are holy whereas in the

West, cows are considered edible. The myth of needing animal

protein is very persistent, has become a stronger belief than

religion itself. For some, the diseases like avian flu, mouth and

claw disease, mad cow disease, sars etc. are but the first signs of

what's in store unless common sense is restored.

Jan

[Guest guest]

, ecirada <ecirada> wrote:

>

 

In India, cows are holy whereas in the

> West, cows are considered edible.

+++

Not if your one of the millions of muslims that live in the east..

 

 

The myth of needing animal

> protein is very persistent, has become a stronger belief than

> religion itself. For some, the diseases like avian flu, mouth and

> claw disease, mad cow disease, sars etc. are but the first signs of

> what's in store unless common sense is restored.

+++

Fear won't get you there..

>

> Jan

>

[Guest guest]

panamavolcan wrote:

, ecirada <ecirada> wrote:

In India, cows are holy whereas in the

West, cows are considered edible.

+++

Not if your one of the millions of muslims that live in the east..

Correct, for Muslims there are no holy

animals,

dogs are considered impure,

not to mention the classification of pigs.

The myth of needing animal

protein is very persistent, has become a stronger belief than

religion itself. For some, the diseases like avian flu, mouth and

claw disease, mad cow disease, sars etc. are but the first signs of

what's in store unless common sense is restored.

+++

Fear won't get you there..

Ignorance is bliss for most. The hidden story

about the ancient rishis advocating Ahimsa with

the derived advice not to eat animals is rather

insightful in this era of scientific discovery:

Disease vectors easily adapt to a change of host.

Animals kept under conditions their natural habitat

wouldn't provide, develop diseases which subsequently

adapt to humans (with a close DNA resemblance).

Just show a human who got potato blight!

Jan

[Guest guest]

there is no eating drinking when one ceases to be the "doer"

>>> ecirada 11/24/05 8:28 PM >>>

panamavolcan wrote:

>Look this is the way I see it pure and simple there is really no

>karma, no birth or death..there really only is what IS..the idea that

>eating meat will somehow retard a person progress is as bogus as

>saying that you need to do some kind of efforting to be Awaken..all

>of this has to do with mind/ego maya and has nothing to do with the

>pure Awareness that you are..it's all a ego game that pushes one away

>from the truth of who they are..IMHO

>Randy

>

>

Randy, if there's no karma, birth or death,

why not stop eating, drinking and breathing?

That would make a discussion like this superfluous

and leave the mind vacuous (empty).

 

On the web there are countless sites mentioning the

benefits of "sattvic food" like this one:

 

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm

------

Food plays a prominent place in Yoga-Sadhana. An aspirant should be very

careful

in the selection of articles of Sattvic nature especially in the

beginning of his Sadhana

period. Later on when Siddhi is attained, drastic dietetic restrictions

can be removed.

 

Purity of food leads to purity of mind. Sattvic food helps meditation.

The discipline of

food is very very necessary for Yogic Sadhana. If the tongue is

controlled, all the other

Indriyas are controlled.

 

"Ahara-suddhau sattva-suddhih, sattva-suddhau dhruva smritih; Smriti-lambhe

sarva-granthinam viprarnokshah--By the purity of food follows the

purification of the

inner nature, by the purification of the nature, memory becomes firm and

on strengthening

the memory, follows the loosening of all ties and the wise get Moksha

thereby."

------

Of course, nothing is more sattvic than stopping with eating, drinking and

breathing as there is no karma, birth or death ;-)

 

Jan

 

 

 

 

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