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Words may sometimes only affect the ego of others, Tony, but words can

also incite, mislead, enrage and cause others to do things that they

might not otherwise do...thereby words can lead to actions and

actions have consequence..."fire" in a crowded theater, or Adolf

Hitler, a pure man, kind to children and a dedicated Vegan, who

nonetheless incited others by his words to do the most evil deeds.

Remember, Hitler never murdered, never gassed, never even slapped any

of the holocaust victims. He simply spoke words.

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In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:59:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, aoclery writes:

Yes my response was not explained deep enough. However in this debate

a human animal may need to think of who the insults and verbal abuse

are happening to. Whereas to a helpless, innocent animal the cruelty,

preparation and final murder are horrendous. There is no way out for

the animal it cant say 'Who am I'? and to whom is this abuse

happening.....ONS..Tony.

This is ontologically contradictory Tony. If you and I are not

separate, by your own arguments, how then can the slaughterer and the

poor defenseless animal be separate? How can you differentiate its

existence? If all are one with the ultimate reality of the Cosmic

Existence, where does Cow and Cheeseburger, Man and machete begin and

end? Now, I agree with you that any unnecessary cruelty is wrong,

both from Ahimsa perspective and from just plain decencies sake, but

these are separate considerations from our own mental perception of

"us" and "them" which you keep refuting as having any meaningful

reality...but now conveniently for you, these distinctions matter!

Please explain...

Cheers,

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Dear Zenbob... I want desperately to change my life, but the link doesn't work!!

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:18 AM

Re: Re: It doesn't matter what we eat????????

In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:59:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, aoclery writes:

Yes my response was not explained deep enough. However in this debate

a human animal may need to think of who the insults and verbal abuse

are happening to. Whereas to a helpless, innocent animal the cruelty,

preparation and final murder are horrendous. There is no way out for

the animal it cant say 'Who am I'? and to whom is this abuse

happening.....ONS..Tony.

This is ontologically contradictory Tony. If you and I are not

separate, by your own arguments, how then can the slaughterer and the

poor defenseless animal be separate? How can you differentiate its

existence? If all are one with the ultimate reality of the Cosmic

Existence, where does Cow and Cheeseburger, Man and machete begin and

end? Now, I agree with you that any unnecessary cruelty is wrong,

both from Ahimsa perspective and from just plain decencies sake, but

these are separate considerations from our own mental perception of

"us" and "them" which you keep refuting as having any meaningful

reality...but now conveniently for you, these distinctions matter!

Please explain...

Cheers,

Zenbob

Change Your Life.... http://www.igonet.net/zencommunications

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[] On Behalf Of Tony OClery

Saturday, November 26, 2005

9:33 AM

[ - Ramana

Guru] Re: It doesn't matter what we eat????????

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, "panamavolcan"

<panamavolcan> wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Yes Tony, now here's something to ponder

about what about cruelty of

> other human beings that are on a different

spiritual path that you

> may find distasteful..what kind of harm is

done there when a person

> gives verbal violence to another? Just

something to think about..

> Blessings

> Randy

Namaste,

Verbal violence is hardly the slaughterhouse and

mostly only offends

people's egos and false images of

themselves.........color:blue">

color:blue">The physical world is a slaughterhouse. In the natural surroundings

the animals are preying upon one another and also preying upon the plants. They

live in apparent fear and spend a great deal of time and energy hiding and

fleeing from each other. In some cases they have developed colors, shapes and

patterns that help them elude predators. Some plants also have developed

defenses against animals.

color:blue">On a cosmic level, stars are born and stars die in sometimes

violent displays.

color:blue">On a personal level, everyBody that is born, will die. It isn’t

the “death” that matters. It is the life that matters. One should

live in peace and not worry about all kinds of things that one has no control

over, such as birth and death.

color:blue">Warm regards,

color:blue">michael

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bold">Subject: [ -

Ramana Guru] Re: It doesn't matter what we eat???????? --- In

, "panamavolcan" <panamavolcan>

wrote:>> Namaste,> > Yes Tony, now here's

something to ponder about what about cruelty of > other human beings

that are on a different spiritual path that you > may find

distasteful..what kind of harm is done there when a person> gives

verbal violence to another? Just something to think about..>

Blessings> RandyNamaste,Verbal violence is hardly the slaughterhouse

and mostly only offends people's egos and false images of

themselves.........Tony The physical world is a slaughterhouse. In

the natural surroundings the animals are preying upon one another and

also preying upon the plants. They live in apparent fear and spend a

great deal of time and energy hiding and fleeing from each other. In

some cases they have developed colors, shapes and patterns that help

them elude predators. Some plants also have developed defenses

against animals. On a cosmic level, stars are born and stars die in

sometimes violent

displays. On a personal level, everyBody that is born, will die. It

isn’t the “death” that matters. It is the life that matters. One

should live in peace and not worry about all kinds of things that one

has no control over, such as birth and death. Warm regards, michael

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