Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 End of post #11... ....How can an illiterate man realise the Self without studying the shastras which deal with the nature of the Self? He cannot. Therefore the shastras must be learnt as a preliminary to realisation. M.: In that case the knowledge of the Self got from the shastras will be like that of heaven mentioned in the Vedas, i.e., indirect and not directly experienced. This knowledge corresponds to hearsay and cannot be direct perception. Just as the knowledge of the form of Vishnu always remains indirect and there is no direct perception of the four armed being or again the knowledge of heaven can only be indirect in this world, so also the knowledge of the Self contained in the shastras can only be indirect. This leaves the man where he was, just as ignorant as before. Only the knowledge of direct experience can be true and useful; the Self is to be realised and not to be talked about. ========================================= 86-88. D.: Has any one said so before? M.: Sri Vidyaranyaswami has said in Dhyana Deepika: The Knowledge of the figure of Vishnu gained from shastras that He has four arms, holding a disc, a conch, etc., is only indirect and cannot be direct. The description is intended to serve as a mental picture for worship and no one can see it face to face. Similarly to know from the shastras that the Self is Being-Knowledge-Bliss amounts to indirect knowledge and cannot be the same as experience. For the Self is the inmost being of the individual or the consciousness witnessing the five sheaths; it is Brahman. This not being realised, a superficial knowledge is all that is gained by reading the shastras. It is only indirect knowledge. D.: Vishnu or heaven being different from the Self can only be objective whereas the Self is subjective and its knowledge, however gained, must be only direct and cannot be indirect. M.: Although spontaneously and directly the Vedanta teaches the Supreme Truth, "That thou art" meaning that the inmost being of the individual is Brahman, yet enquiry is the only sure means of Self realisation. Sastric knowledge is not enough, for it can only be indirect. Only the experience resulting from the enquiry of the Self can be direct knowledge. 89-90. Vasishta also has said to the same effect. Shastra, Guru and upadesa are all traditional and do not straightway make the seeker directly realise the Self. The purity of the seeker's mind is the sole means for realisation and not shastra nor the guru. The self can be realised by one's own acute discernment and by no other means. All shastras agree on this point. 91. From this it is clear that except by enquiry the Self can never be realised, not even by learning Vedanta. 92. D.: The Self must be realised only by a critical study of the shastras. Otherwise what can be the enquiry into the Self but a critical and analytical study of the shastras? 93. M.: In the body, senses etc., the concept "I" persists. With a one pointed mind turned inwards to look out for this "I" or the Self, which is the inmost Being within the five sheaths, is the enquiry into the Self. To seek elsewhere outside the body by an oral recital of Vedanta Shastra or a critical study of its words, cannot be called enquiry into the Self which can only be a thorough investigation into the true nature of the Self by a keen mind. 94-96. D.: Can the Self not be known by reading and understanding the shastras? M.: No. For the Self is Being-Knowledge-Bliss, different from the gross, subtle and causal bodies, witnessing the three states of waking, dream and deep sleep. Always to exercise the vocal organs in reading the shastras, or with a thorough knowledge of grammar, logic and diction to critically examine the scripture and make out its meaning, cannot reveal the Self which is within. D.: How can it be realised? M.: By the mind to examine the nature of the five sheaths, by experience to determine them, then to discard each of them step by step "this is not the Self - this is not the Self", and by mind thus grown subtle to look for the Self and realise It as the witnessing Consciousness lying beyond the five sheaths - forms the whole process. The Self cannot be seen without. It is overspread by and lies hidden in the five sheaths. In order to find It, the intellect must be made to turn inwards and search within, not to look for It in the shastras. Will any man in his senses search in a forest for a thing lost in his home? The search must be in the place where the thing lies hidden. In the same way the Self covered over by the five sheaths must be looked for within them and not among the shastras. The shastras are not the place for It. 97. D.: True, the Self cannot be found in the shastras. >From them a scholar can learn the nature of the five sheaths, intellectually examine, experience and discard them, in order to find and realise the Self. How can the other man ignorant of the nature of the Self or of the five sheaths pursue the enquiry? M.: Just as the scholar learns from books, so the other learns from the master. Later, enquiry remains the same for both. 98-99. D.: Does it follow that a master is necessary for an illiterate man and not for a scholar? M.: Scholar or illiterate, no one can succeed without a master. >From the beginning of time, unable to realise the Self without a master, the seekers even learned in all the shastras always sought a master to enlighten them. Narada went to Sanatkumara; Indra to Brahma; Suka to king Janaka. Unless the master is gracious to him, no man can ever be liberated. 100-101. D.: Has any one illiterate been liberated by Guru's Grace only? M.: Yes. Yagnavalkya helped his wife Maitreyi to be liberated. Many other women ignorant of the shastras e.g., Leela and Chudala were also liberated while alive. Therefore even those ignorant of the shastras are qualified for enquiry into the Self. 102-108. It must now be obvious that the make up of the best qualified seeker consists in dispassion, resulting from discernment of the real from the unreal, so that he discards all enjoyments here and hereafter as if they were poison or vomit or blazing fire, retires from all activities to remain quiet like a man in deep sleep, but finding himself unable to remain so owing to unbearable pains, physical and mental, as if the hair of his head had caught fire and was burning, he cannot feel happy nor bear the agony even a minute longer and burns in anguish feeling "When shall I be free? How and by what means can I be liberated?" For the best seeker all the qualifications must be full up to the above said category "limit" (avadhi). For the next in scale, the good seeker, the qualifications are developed only to the "effect" stage; for the middling, only to the "nature" stage; and for the lowest, only to their "cause" stage. These stages determine the success of the seeker's efforts. 109. Immediate success attends the efforts of the best qualified; some time elapses before the next in grade succeeds; a longer time is required for the middling; and only a prolonged and steady practice can enable the low-grade seeker to succeed. 110-112. Their perplexity of minds does not allow the last two grades of seekers to take to enquiry. Their minds are more readily composed by yoga, which is more suited to them than enquiry. The first two grades of seekers readily profit by enquiry which is more suited to them than yoga. 113-114. In Dhyana Deepika, Sri Vidyaranyaswami has said: "The path of enquiry cannot lead to success to the seekers whose minds are confused. To bring down the false notion of their minds, yoga is necessary. The minds of those who are fully qualified, are not confused but remain one pointed; only the veiling power of Ignorance still hides the Self from them; they await only awakening. Enquiry is the process of awakening; therefore it best suits them." 115-118. Yoga can be successful only after a long, steady, earnest, diligent and cautious practice without needless strain. D.: Why should one be so heedful about it? M.: When the attempt is made to fix the mind in the Self, it gets restive and drags the man through the senses to the objects. However resolute and learned the man may be, his mind remains wayward, strong, mulish, and hard to restrain. Wanton by nature, it cannot remain steady for a moment; it must run here, there and everywhere; now it dwells in the nether regions and in a trice it flies up in the sky; it moves in all the directions of the compass; and it is capricious like a monkey. It is hard to fix it. To do so, one must be heedful. ============================= Taken from Advaita Bhoda Deepika as published by Sri Ramanasramam Tiruvannamalai 2002. To be continued... You can download at http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/downloads/downloads.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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