bob hearn and everybody interested

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255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Dear unknown friend in GD

your email was a source of joy for me...... thank you so much

i have to "dig in" your mail another time "deeper" - but let me

state clearly now of course i agree with you how couldnt i?????

nothing what happens is "bad" how can "God" "do" something

"bad"??? so of course "nothing wrong" with "being a human"

what a Grace it is to be born in this human form and to be able to

"pass" from the formed to the unformed reality!!!!!!!! of course

its not a punishment how could GD punish?????

dear Bob due to Grace "i" "discovered" the true meaning of the

jewish bible i state jewish bible because all else are

translations and many letters words are omitted GD created the

duality (creation) GD created the "human" in the first creation it

was ONE it was done in the image of GD like stated afterward not a

rib was taken away but a layer of the completeness to create duality

in "human" why? so that a desire can arise in the now dual

parts of the former complete "human" to be ONE again of course

first by sexuality b u t afterwards by a spiritual search which

ends in being one again t h i s i

s the hidden message of the Bible no letter has been added or

changed or omitted in more than 2000 years and only when this

original version which is used of course in handwritten versions in

every synagouge you can discover this message take the jewish bible

on the face value - stories - and you see the human condition which

never changes and never will change because life on earth has to be

lived to discover the oneness with the creator thank you for

reading so how can the formed reality on this dual world be

"sin" "bad" ? its the vessel for reuniting again i hope i

understand your message with my heart thank you again love

yourself because only with this love you are able to love with

joy and inner and outer smile yours ever in love in GD

and deep respect for your way michaelBob OHearn

<hrtbeat7 > wrote: ,

michael bindel <michael_bindel> wrote:>The formless reality is

our true SelfBody, Mind and World are simply thoughtsTo abide in the

formless reality is the purpose of lifePlease forget all elseand

abide in that aloneOnly then will you have

donewhat needs to be doneand be a beacon light upon the WorldHappy New

Year, Michael!A good way to understand the world of humans is to

understand oneself, not in an intellectual way, or even in an

emotional or so-called spiritual way, but just drilling down into the

heart of the prime motivation, the "core story", which is expressed

most commonly in the predicament of felt suffering we call "our

life". It may be discovered here that there is, at the root,

something like an innocent misunderstanding, a simple case of

mistaken identity. What we are speaking about here is the actual

evolution of consciousness itself. This human drama is not a mistake.

Most of the cherished "spiritual" teachings infer that this human life

is some kind of error or unfortunate occurrence - something to

transcend, some sin or even something of the nature of a stain -

tainted. But if we really inquire into this, we

can see that consciousness has taken form for a reason. It has come

into form so that it can be conscious as form. That's the beauty of

this amazing human birth. Consciousness can become self-aware through

this human form. It can not only become self-aware, but can finally

manifest liberation through form, through human-ness, in the way that

we act in the field of space and time.To be "liberated" from being a

human being is not enough. The consciousness itself has an impulse to

manifest itself in the world of space and time. This where some

confusion enters in. To be able to have this realization function in

the world seems to be the true call of evolution. Ultimately, the

manifestation is a creation. It's a birthing from an act of

indescribable Love. It's certainly not some terrible mistake that we

need to escape from into some transcendental realm. That's the goof

of dualism. So many teachers confuse people here, but if

it's all One, it is truly ALL ONE! There is no reason why that Oneness

can't express Itself in the world of space and time just as much as in

the Infinite. Such distinctions can be seen as mere notional

indulgence, when all this "messiness" of our humanity is allowed to

be liberated from such judgments of belief and conceptual filtration

by the Power of Awakeness.Nevertheless, there is some real confusion

when consciousness takes form and tries to become self-aware. It

seems to be a risk that consciousness takes in its maturation

process, or its evolving into becoming truly self-aware through form.

It is simply a matter of getting confused about its ultimate identity

--It comes into form, and then it thinks that it is that form,

separate and divided from all that is perceived to arise in the

sphere of consciousness itself. From this, a lot of suffering can and

does arise, the birth pangs of Itself to discover its True

Nature, and then to manifest it as Full Incarnation, the moment to

moment demand that all excuses be abandoned for acting anything less

than from complete awakeness in this very moment, whatever the moment

may contain.If this inquiry takes one into the head it will feel very

dry, very intellectual. If it stays grounded in one's native heart

openess, it won't feel in the least bit abstract. In fact, it is

actually quite marvelously, joyously drenched in the juiciness of

life, in whatever way life may be expressing itself this moment, this

moment in which all is contained, the entire history of itself, at

this pinpoint of attention, called now.In the place where

consciousness is really unified, where it sees the true nature of

both formlessness and form, such phrases as "I am That" are actually

true. It becomes perceivable. One's sense of self expands to include

everything. Here nothing is really outside of

oneself. This view of unity consciousness is much vaster than the view

of formless consciousness (see Tozan's Five Ranks). One needs to go

beyond mind into one's own direct experience to really hear this, or

else it just becomes more stale spices added to the conceptual stew

of faux-nondualism. It would initially appear that this experience of

unity consciousness is complete, once there is the realization that "I

am That", "I am everything". It may seem that there is nothing more to

see. And yet if inquiry proceeds further, there is something very

simple to recognize. Even in this unity consciousness there is an

awareness of this unity consciousness. There is a very simple

wakefulness of it, in which this unity consciousness is arising. This

awakeness has no qualities whatsoever. No bliss, no peace, no presence

- not even consciousness. Sometimes this "Original Face" is called

Emptiness. Yet it is even empty of

any qualities of emptiness. Here there is no self or Self. It is not a

state of consciousness, and yet it does not cancel what it

transcends.Separate self-consciousness, Formless consciousness, Unity

consciousness are all arising within this, are all birthed within It.

They are actually illuminated, or seen through, and thus become

Liberated from any identification within this, from any fixation at

any level of consciousness. Since everything arises from this

wakefulness, there is nothing that needs to be eliminated. The only

"problem" that ever arose was the fixation on any level. From this

wakeful Awareness, all states are gathered in one vast embrace of

Love, and are seen to co-exist simultaneously, non-exclusively. When

this is truly and deeply Seen, and all fixation has been undermined

by the acceptance of Embrace, then one comes to realize that this

wakefulness, which one IS, is in Love with all states of

consciousness. It does not need to hide in egoic consciousness, in

formless consciousness, in unity consciousness, in peace or bliss -

it loves them all. It functions through them all. Then they all can

begin to dance! This dancing of all states of consciousness together

is really the end, and the beginning, of incarnation, or conscious

embodiment. To take in the whole of experience in one embrace - to

swallow the Ocean in one gulp -- This is the Mystery! What becomes

realized is this simple awake Awareness that every human being has,

at every moment of their lives. One may have many mystical,

transcendental experiences, and perhaps, through Grace, come

eventually to the mystical experience of being truly human.

Stabilizing in such "experience", one will eventually become

ordinary, natural. Could this actually be the "ultimate ground", the

full flowering of the transcendent Mystery - that the most

liberating turns out to be the most ordinary? And yet, how could it be

otherwise? It's only natural! :-)LoveAlways Shopping Find

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mango tree <oldmangotree> wrote:

> Vanakkam!

 

 

))) Deep Peace, and to all, enduring Joy!

 

Youy wrote: "In the Spirit of Bhagawan's upadesha's through SILENCE,

let us not engage in trying to intellectually conceptualise ...."

 

 

))) Charity begins at home, eh?

 

:-)

 

 

"Satsangh literally means "association with Being", but as a means of

sadhana it is used to mean "association with one who has realized Sat

or Being" and Bhagawan spoke of it in the highest terms...."

 

))) Do you imagine that you or anyone can ever be outside of such

association, even for a second? There is no limit on the power of

such association, nor apparently on the miscomprehensions about it.

 

 

 

 

"There must be a "reason" why Bhagawan spoke very very little....."

 

))) He has never stopped speaking.

 

 

 

LoveAlways

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You wrote:

> "There must be a "reason" why Bhagawan spoke very very little....."

>

> ))) He has never stopped speaking.

 

AND Ramana never said a thing.

 

Not two,

Richard

 

, "Bob OHearn" <hrtbeat7>

wrote:

>

> ,

> mango tree <oldmangotree> wrote:

>

> > Vanakkam!

>

>

> ))) Deep Peace, and to all, enduring Joy!

>

> Youy wrote: "In the Spirit of Bhagawan's upadesha's through

SILENCE,

> let us not engage in trying to intellectually conceptualise ...."

>

>

> ))) Charity begins at home, eh?

>

> :-)

>

>

> "Satsangh literally means "association with Being", but as a means

of

> sadhana it is used to mean "association with one who has realized

Sat

> or Being" and Bhagawan spoke of it in the highest terms...."

>

> ))) Do you imagine that you or anyone can ever be outside of such

> association, even for a second? There is no limit on the power of

> such association, nor apparently on the miscomprehensions about it.

>

>

>

>

> "There must be a "reason" why Bhagawan spoke very very little....."

>

> ))) He has never stopped speaking.

>

>

>

> LoveAlways

>

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"Richard Clarke" <rclarke@s...> wrote:

>Ramana never said a thing.

 

))) Yeah, but that was before the internet! :-)

 

 

LoveAlways

[Guest guest]

, "Bob OHearn" <hrtbeat7> wrote:

>

> ,

> mango tree <oldmangotree> wrote:

>

> > Vanakkam!

>

>

> ))) Deep Peace, and to all, enduring Joy!

>

> Youy wrote: "In the Spirit of Bhagawan's upadesha's through SILENCE,

> let us not engage in trying to intellectually conceptualise ...."

>

>

> ))) Charity begins at home, eh?

>

> :-)

>

>

> "Satsangh literally means "association with Being", but as a means of

> sadhana it is used to mean "association with one who has realized Sat

> or Being" and Bhagawan spoke of it in the highest terms...."

>

> ))) Do you imagine that you or anyone can ever be outside of such

> association, even for a second? There is no limit on the power of

> such association, nor apparently on the miscomprehensions about it.

>

>

>

>

> "There must be a "reason" why Bhagawan spoke very very little....."

>

> ))) He has never stopped speaking.

 

 

 

yup... speech does not necessarily comes

from the tonque.

 

> LoveAlways

 

indeed

[Guest guest]

,

"yosyx" <yosyflug@i...> wrote:

 

>yup... speech does not necessarily comes

from the tonque.

 

> LoveAlways

 

indeed

 

 

Good Evening, Brother, and to all whose heart bursts with unspeakable

intensity, and to all whose heart makes not a murmur, and to all who

are not sure, and in any event, whatever one's bent, to all before,

between, and after any words, Happy Tuesday!

 

That said, I once took some liberties with a famous Ramana oration

(fundies please forgive me!), that I'll share again here, since we're

on the subject:

 

 

 

The Song of Love is heard only by Love. It is the loving rhythm of

Love for and by Itself. Along with the little-known practice of

actually Loving, and inquiry into the true nature of the Lover, such

hearing is more potent than any other so-called spiritual discipline,

until all such disciplines are recognized as only the play of Love.

The blessing sound that Love bestows makes one who is ready

immediately open and empty to receive, devoid of any resistance.

Love's real nature is the OneHeart Itself. Only.

 

The ordinary person dreams in the brain, unaware of their true Home

in the Heart. The Lover lives in the Heart. The Lover is Lived by the

Heart, awakening to a constant whisper of the Heart to Itself. For

the Lover, the true devotee of Love, there is nothing but the joyful

movement of the formless Heart into all forms and relationships as

Song itself! The Lover has no will. No choice. All such fantasies

have been consumed by the lovely fire of Love. In the realm some

call "this world", the Lover knows that what they hear is not

separate from the OneHeart in which all arises and dissolves, which

they realize in the Heart as their own Self, Singing!

 

Love hears nothing as greater or lesser, higher or lower, better or

worse, more or less desirable. All is only Love to such ears. In the

state of Love the Lover hears nothing separate from the Beloved's

voice – radiance divine rippling in every direction for the sheer

magnification of Itself in mysterious symphonic wonder.

 

For the Lover, Love alone IS, and nothing else.

 

By persisting in communion with Love, the Lover sheds all recoil from

Love, until such dry tunes drop away completely, revealing that which

Is. In such humility, Love, which is truth, becomes the sacrifice

which returns as the Singing Smile, illuminating all that does not

recognize Itself as Love. Exquisitely, Beloved presses so urgently

down into mortality as a musical Love offering to that which lingers

in the forgetfulness of its own true nature. How Happy is the Lover

to fall into this slipstream of Loving's Bright Song, that all may

enjoy the delight of Love's homecoming to Itself, the Self of all,

the treasure of the living light of heart-broken surrender to the

deepest yearning of being itself! Jai to the Inextinguishable, this

ever-living flame, this HeartSong!

 

 

LoveAlways