Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 End of post #17... 64-66. D.: How can the Self be the origin of all? M.: Being the seer of all, It is the origin of all. D.: How can the seer be the origin? M.: In all cases of illusion, only the seer is found to be the cause of all of them. When nacre is seen to be silver, the material cause is no other than the seer; the same is the case with all dream-visions for they have their origin in the dreamer only. Similarly with the illusion of the world of the waking state, the seer must be the cause. =============================================== D.: Should the universe be a myth, your conclusion will follow. Is this universe only a myth? M.: First there is the authority of the srutis which say that in dissolution there remains only the non-dual Self and in creation the names and forms are by Maya superimposed on It like the name and form of a snake on a dimly visible rope. Secondly, reasoning shows the illusory nature of this universe because it is seen to appear and disappear like the unreal visions in dreams. Thirdly, the sages have proclaimed their realisation that all this is but illusory and that only Brahman is real. Therefore all this universe is really false. Now it is but right to say that being the witness, the Self is the sole cause of all this universe which is but an illusory appearance on the Self. The illusory effect cannot be separate from the basis. Just as the foam, bubbles and waves are not different from their origin, the sea, so also the phenomena of the Universe are but the Self falsely presented. Therefore the Self is 'non-dual' and there can be no duality. 67. In the presence of the master always attentively to study the Vedanta shastra which treats of the non-dual Being and retain its meaning forms the "nature" of sravana or hearing. This must always be attended to. 68. D.: What is the "effect" of this sravana? M.: It destroys that veiling part of ignorance which hitherto made one think "Where is this non-dual Self? Nowhere". To destroy this ignorant conclusion of the non-existence of the non-dual Self is its "effect". 69-70. D.: How long should one continue sravana? M.: Until the doubt of the non-existence of the non-dual Being does not rear its head again. The non-recurrence of this doubt is said to be the "limit" of the process of sravana. D.: Can the doubt once set at rest, recur? M.: Yes, it can. D.: How? M.: In many passages in the srutis, duality is dealt with and can easily be mistaken to be proved. For instance, one studies the shastras dealing with Vishnu and becomes devoted to Him; later on, finding other gods similarly dealt with, one's devotion to Vishnu is likely to suffer. In the same manner, a study of the Advaita shastras removes the doubt regarding nondual Being, yet the dvaita shastras may lead to a different conclusion and the student may lose faith in the non-duality of Being. Therefore one must continue sravana till the different texts do not shake one's reasoned faith in non-dual Being. D.: What is the "fruit" of sravana? M.: When once for all the non-belief in the non-duality of Being is destroyed, no sacred text or tricky argument can make the seeker deviate from his faith. All obstructions to his faith thus removed, he remains steady in his indirect knowledge of non-dual Being. This is the "fruit" of sravana. 71. D.: What is this indirect knowledge? M.: To know the true nature of the inmost Self, not by direct experience but by a study of the shastras, is called indirect Knowledge. Although one does not see Vishnu face to face yet through the evidence of the shastras one believes in His existence; this forms only common (samanya) knowledge. Similarly a common knowledge of non-duality of Brahman gained through the advaita shastras is indirect knowledge. 72-76. D.: Why should the knowledge arising from sravana be said to be indirect? Can it not be direct? M.: No. So long as the Inner Self cannot shine forth owing to the other veiling aspect of Ignorance (abhanavarana) mere knowledge of Its existence cannot be called direct. D.: Is this confirmed by others also? M.: Yes. Sri Vidyaranyaswamy says in Dhyana Deepika: "Though by sravana, Brahman can be understood to be Being- Knowledge-Bliss, yet It cannot thus be directly experienced as the sole-Being witnessing the five sheaths. Although from the shastras, Vishnu is understood to be four-armed, holding a disc, a conch and a mace in His hands, and even a mental picture of Him can manifest in one-pointed meditation, yet He is not seen directly with these eyes; therefore the knowledge of Him remains only indirect." The knowledge gained from the shastras is thus only indirect and not directly experienced. Similarly the knowledge gained by sravana can remain only indirect and is not directly experienced. D.: Here Vishnu is not the Self but is different. It is but right that knowledge of Him gained from the shastras remains indirect. But Brahman is not different from the Self. To the seeker who is ignorant of this identity, the srutis reveal the fact saying, "That thou art". On learning its true significance he should be said to have directly realised the Truth. This knowledge cannot remain indirect like that of heaven etc. Sravana must therefore end in directly experienced knowledge. M.: Not so. It is true that the sacred text reveals the Truth, "That thou art". Still direct knowledge does not result merely by hearing it. In the absence of enquiry into the Self, knowledge cannot become direct. In order to have this indirect knowledge directly experienced, it is necessary to reflect on it. 77. Here ends the chapter on sravana. The student who reads this carefully will gain indirect knowledge. In order to experience directly, he will seek to know the nature of manana or reflection. ============================= Taken from Advaita Bhoda Deepika as published by Sri Ramanasramam Tiruvannamalai 2002. To be continued... You can download at http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/downloads/downloads.htm Read postings to date on http://www.love-yoga.com/Ramana/Advaita_Bhoda/Index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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