Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 , "Jeroen" <sphurna wrote: > > , "Bob OHearn" <hrtbeat7@> wrote: > > > > , > > "Jeroen" <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > >Of course 'you are that/dead'! > > That's precisely what I am saying! > > > > > > Good Day, Friend! > > > > Even "nature" is a concept, a mental construct. > > > > Dear Bob, > > > Nature is what is running through your veins, what is flowing in your > nose, what is making your heart beat, what you are doing with your > eyes right now! > > > Stop that "I am That" and "Harmony, peace and love" nonsense! You're > messing with (human) beings/lives here!! > > > Do you know the verbs pollute, straightjacket, terrorise? Do you > realise that these are not the activities human beings should perform? > > > Do you realise that we/you have to STOP these fucked up acts and human > beings, and have to (learn to) behave in ways that do not > straightjacket and destroy who/what we are, viz. nature? > > > Or do you still think 'I am that' and the 'real reality' is "Harmony, > peace and love"? > > > > Jeroen > > > dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do with the real, what you refer to as "nature". most harm is done not by 'evil' people doing 'bad', but by stupid people trying to do 'good'. with their help mother nature needs no enemies. so, keep on your fight. you'll surely succeed. "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" yosy > > > > > > > > You say: "...we/you should better start minding and fighting for > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > > her (comm)unity." > > > > Thus, you prolong the war of ideas by fighting yourself, and this > > struggle is no different than the "enlightenment and spirituality- > > business" you complain about above. > > > > > > Furthermore, you say: "We do not need Enlightenment, we > > need nature, and we need it now!" > > > > If we already are that (nature), then what is actually "needed" is to > > wake up to that reality, rather than projecting more of our dualistic > > concepts derived from conditional interpretations on perception, > > resulting in the complaint about the terrors within nature, for > > example, or the way nature may choose to express itself, even in its > > evolutionary efforts to become fully self-aware (ie via spiritual > > practice). > > > > > > > > __/\__ > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 , "yosyx" <yosyflug wrote: > > , "Jeroen" <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > , "Bob OHearn" <hrtbeat7@> > wrote: > > > > > > , > > > "Jeroen" <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > > > >Of course 'you are that/dead'! > > > That's precisely what I am saying! > > > > > > > > > Good Day, Friend! > > > > > > Even "nature" is a concept, a mental construct. > > > > > > > > Dear Bob, > > > > > > Nature is what is running through your veins, what is flowing in > your > > nose, what is making your heart beat, what you are doing with your > > eyes right now! > > > > > > Stop that "I am That" and "Harmony, peace and love" nonsense! You're > > messing with (human) beings/lives here!! > > > > > > Do you know the verbs pollute, straightjacket, terrorise? Do you > > realise that these are not the activities human beings should > perform? > > > > > > Do you realise that we/you have to STOP these fucked up acts and > human > > beings, and have to (learn to) behave in ways that do not > > straightjacket and destroy who/what we are, viz. nature? > > > > > > Or do you still think 'I am that' and the 'real reality' > is "Harmony, > > peace and love"? > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, > remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do > with the real, what you refer to as "nature". Oh really? Who do you think is doing the thinking then!? Yosy-boy, it's high time to get your feet on the ground! You have been MISLEAD and are MISLEADING others! There is no ***Real***, ***That***, ***Consciousness*** or whatever other magnificent ***Oneness*** apart from nature! So cut it out! It's all nature. Show yourself some respect please! Jeroen > > most harm is done not by 'evil' people doing 'bad', but > by stupid people trying to do 'good'. with their help > mother nature needs no enemies. > > so, keep on your fight. you'll surely succeed. > "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say: "...we/you should better start minding and fighting for > > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature > and > > > her (comm)unity." > > > > > > Thus, you prolong the war of ideas by fighting yourself, and this > > > struggle is no different than the "enlightenment and spirituality- > > > business" you complain about above. > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, you say: "We do not need Enlightenment, we > > > need nature, and we need it now!" > > > > > > If we already are that (nature), then what is actually "needed" > is to > > > wake up to that reality, rather than projecting more of our > dualistic > > > concepts derived from conditional interpretations on perception, > > > resulting in the complaint about the terrors within nature, for > > > example, or the way nature may choose to express itself, even in > its > > > evolutionary efforts to become fully self-aware (ie via spiritual > > > practice). > > > > > > > > > > > > __/\__ > > > > > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 , "Jeroen" <sphurna wrote: > > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > , "Jeroen" <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > > > , "Bob OHearn" <hrtbeat7@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > , > > > > "Jeroen" <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Of course 'you are that/dead'! > > > > That's precisely what I am saying! > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Day, Friend! > > > > > > > > Even "nature" is a concept, a mental construct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bob, > > > > > > > > > Nature is what is running through your veins, what is flowing in > > your > > > nose, what is making your heart beat, what you are doing with your > > > eyes right now! > > > > > > > > > Stop that "I am That" and "Harmony, peace and love" nonsense! You're > > > messing with (human) beings/lives here!! > > > > > > > > > Do you know the verbs pollute, straightjacket, terrorise? Do you > > > realise that these are not the activities human beings should > > perform? > > > > > > > > > Do you realise that we/you have to STOP these fucked up acts and > > human > > > beings, and have to (learn to) behave in ways that do not > > > straightjacket and destroy who/what we are, viz. nature? > > > > > > > > > Or do you still think 'I am that' and the 'real reality' > > is "Harmony, > > > peace and love"? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, > > remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do > > with the real, what you refer to as "nature". > > > Oh really? Who do you think is doing the thinking then!? > > rotfl apparently, 'you' are doing it for all of us. no? > Yosy-boy, it's high time to get your feet on the ground! > > > You have been MISLEAD and are MISLEADING others! There is no > ***Real***, ***That***, ***Consciousness*** or whatever other > magnificent ***Oneness*** apart from nature! So cut it out! > > It's all nature. Show yourself some respect please! > > > Jeroen > hahahahaha yes, you are a good man, jeroen. keep fighting! (hmmm, though it sounds more like 'squirming'...) i rest my case. 'yosy' > > > > > > > > > > most harm is done not by 'evil' people doing 'bad', but > > by stupid people trying to do 'good'. with their help > > mother nature needs no enemies. > > > > so, keep on your fight. you'll surely succeed. > > "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say: "...we/you should better start minding and fighting for > > > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature > > and > > > > her (comm)unity." > > > > > > > > Thus, you prolong the war of ideas by fighting yourself, and this > > > > struggle is no different than the "enlightenment and spirituality- > > > > business" you complain about above. > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, you say: "We do not need Enlightenment, we > > > > need nature, and we need it now!" > > > > > > > > If we already are that (nature), then what is actually "needed" > > is to > > > > wake up to that reality, rather than projecting more of our > > dualistic > > > > concepts derived from conditional interpretations on perception, > > > > resulting in the complaint about the terrors within nature, for > > > > example, or the way nature may choose to express itself, even in > > its > > > > evolutionary efforts to become fully self-aware (ie via spiritual > > > > practice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __/\__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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