Nothing but nature / jeroem

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> > > Even "nature" is a concept, a mental construct. > > > >

Dear Bob, > > > Nature is what is running through your veins, what

is flowing in your > nose, what is making your heart beat, what you

are doing with your > eyes right now! > > > Stop that "I am That"

and "Harmony, peace and love" nonsense! You're > messing with (human)

beings/lives here!! > > > Do you know the verbs pollute,

straightjacket, terrorise? Do you > realise that these are not the

activities human beings should perform? > > > Do you realise that

we/you have to STOP these fucked up acts and human > beings, and

have to (learn to) behave in ways that do not > straightjacket and

destroy who/what we are, viz. nature? > > > Or do you still think

'I am that' and the 'real reality' is

"Harmony, > peace and love"? > > > > Jeroen > > > dear

jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, remain concepts and

thinking, and have nothing to do with the real, what you refer to as

"nature". most harm is done not by 'evil' people doing 'bad', but by

stupid people trying to do 'good'. with their help mother nature

needs no enemies. so, keep on your fight. you'll surely succeed.

"the road to hell is paved with good intentions" yosy > >

> > > > > > You say: "...we/you should better start minding and

fighting for > > what we are and what we were from the very

beginning, viz. nature and > > her (comm)unity." > > > > Thus, you

prolong the war of ideas by fighting yourself, and this > >

struggle is no different than the "enlightenment and spirituality- > >

business" you complain about above. > > > > > > Furthermore, you

say: "We do not need Enlightenment, we > > need nature, and we need

it now!" > > > > If we already are that (nature), then what is

actually "needed" is to > > wake up to that reality, rather than

projecting more of our dualistic > > concepts derived from

conditional interpretations on perception, > > resulting in the

complaint about the terrors within nature, for > > example, or the

way nature may choose to express itself, even in its > >

evolutionary efforts to become fully self-aware (ie via spiritual >

> practice). > > > > > > > > __/\__ > > > > > > > > LoveAlways

> > >

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Jeroen wrote:

> , "yosyx" <yosyflug wrote:

>

>> [...]

>> dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime,

>> remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do

>> with the real, what you refer to as "nature".

>>

>

>

> Oh really? Who do you think is doing the thinking then!?

>

 

The Buddha suggested "be a lamp onto yourself".

He didn't say, "be a wailing wall onto yourself" but

taught the way to end suffering instead.

>

> Yosy-boy, it's high time to get your feet on the ground!

>

 

Jeroen, had you been a behavioral scientist, you could have

discovered the way to transform domesticated animals into

their original, wild version within one generation, at least

regarding self-sufficiency. When it works for hamsters, it

might work for humans.

 

Had you been a hermit in (the remains of) a rainforest you

could have had an understanding for what Ramana called

"the Self", why he even treated hornets with respect, and

why the only option is to be the example you want to be

followed.

>

> You have been MISLEAD and are MISLEADING others! There is no

> ***Real***, ***That***, ***Consciousness*** or whatever other

> magnificent ***Oneness*** apart from nature! So cut it out!

>

 

Had you done your homework, you would have experiential but

incommunicable evidence of those terms and their inadequacy,

at the same time.

 

> It's all nature. Show yourself some respect please!

>

>

> Jeroen

>

 

Showing respect to the sand in the Sahara won't restore the woods

that once covered it, nor will it transform the sand into gold.

Whatever compound structure is but a form of stardust, born from

primal matter, hydrogen.

 

Jan