Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 but like I said it had to be some person, could also have been Jeroen ! So what's in a name.Why not try this meditation which for 3 days you will focus on your own natural breathing and the next 7 on your own natural sensations. Moreover the teachings, accommodation and meals are free; your only investment is your time - 10 days of your life to "know" answers to your questions naturally.Play of words is not enough. If you want to swim, you got to get into the water. All the best :-)VirJeroen <sphurna > wrote: --- In , ecirada <ecirada wrote: > > Jeroen wrote: > > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > >> [...] > >> dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, > >> remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do > >> with the real, what you refer to as "nature". > >> > > > > > > Oh really? Who do you think is doing the thinking then!? > > > > The Buddha suggested "be a lamp onto yourself". The Buddha could be wrong. Let's not forget this. Ultimately, a lamp is a form of nature, just like a flower: they occur in/through/as nature. Hence I suggest 'be nature'. > He didn't say, "be a wailing wall onto yourself" Yet, maybe he was! but > taught the way to end suffering instead. I think the issue of human beings is not to end suffering, but to know/care for/protect ourself/ves, which is nature. Hence my major concern is not self/Self vs not-self (or impermanene vs permanence, enlightenment/nirvana vs maya, spirituality vs materialism, etc.), but natural vs unnatural. Jeroen > > > > > Yosy-boy, it's high time to get your feet on the ground! > > > > Jeroen, had you been a behavioral scientist, you could have > discovered the way to transform domesticated animals into > their original, wild version within one generation, at least > regarding self-sufficiency. When it works for hamsters, it > might work for humans. > > Had you been a hermit in (the remains of) a rainforest you > could have had an understanding for what Ramana called > "the Self", why he even treated hornets with respect, and > why the only option is to be the example you want to be > followed. > > > > > You have been MISLEAD and are MISLEADING others! There is no > > ***Real***, ***That***, ***Consciousness*** or whatever other > > magnificent ***Oneness*** apart from nature! So cut it out! > > > > Had you done your homework, you would have experiential but > incommunicable evidence of those terms and their inadequacy, > at the same time. > > > > It's all nature. Show yourself some respect please! > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > Showing respect to the sand in the Sahara won't restore the woods > that once covered it, nor will it transform the sand into gold. > Whatever compound structure is but a form of stardust, born from > primal matter, hydrogen. > > Jan > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Jeroen wrote: , ecirada <ecirada wrote: Jeroen wrote: , "yosyx" <yosyflug@> wrote: [...] dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do with the real, what you refer to as "nature". Oh really? Who do you think is doing the thinking then!? The Buddha suggested "be a lamp onto yourself". The Buddha could be wrong. Let's not forget this. That the Buddha was correct can be verified easily, eventually in less than a year. Ultimately, a lamp is a form of nature, just like a flower: they occur in/through/as nature. Hence I suggest 'be nature'. Using a term like "the Self" in an era where selfishness reigns supreme might be a controversial issue already whereas the use of a term like "nature" is a recipe for a new Babylonian confusion of tongues: (From the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language) Nature: 1. The material world and its phenomena. 2. The forces and processes that produce and control all the phenomena of the material world: the laws of nature. 3. The world of living things and the outdoors: the beauties of nature. 4. A primitive state of existence, untouched and uninfluenced by civilization or artificiality: couldn't tolerate city life anymore and went back to nature. 5. Theology. Humankind's natural state as distinguished from the state of grace. 6. A kind or sort: confidences of a personal nature. See synonyms at TYPE. 7. The essential characteristics and qualities of a person or thing: "She was only strong and sweet and in her nature when she was really deep in trouble" (Gertrude Stein). 8. The fundamental character or disposition of a person; temperament: "Strange natures made a brotherhood of ill" (Percy Bysshe Shelley). 9. The natural or real aspect of a person, place, or thing. See synonyms at DISPOSITION. 10. The processes and functions of the body. He didn't say, "be a wailing wall onto yourself" Yet, maybe he was! He just gave up what didn't work (extreme asceticism) which requires verification of having performed the work, (asceticism) properly. but taught the way to end suffering instead. I think the issue of human beings is not to end suffering, but to know/care for/protect ourself/ves, which is nature. The generally accepted rule of "correctness" in these matters is that analysis of various systems shows agreement. The "road to happiness" of the Buddha regards the cessation of desires whereas in the Patanjali sutras this is termed the disappearance of afflictions. When still under the influence of afflictions, does it matter whether afflictions are labeled "natural", "selfish", "dual" or "nondual"? Hence my major concern is not self/Self vs not-self (or impermanene vs permanence, enlightenment/nirvana vs maya, spirituality vs materialism, etc.), but natural vs unnatural. Jeroen Will mankind-assisted run-away global warming and the sixth extinction under progress change one iota whether labeled "natural" or "unnatural"? Is a natural toothache better than an unnatural one? ;-) Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 In nature there isn't right and wrong, there is only what is as it is. Why you keep wanting to be right? Be what you are teaching or be still and know! Marifa - "Jeroen" <sphurna <> Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:09 AM Re: Nothing but nature / jeroen > , ecirada <ecirada wrote: >> >> Jeroen wrote: >> > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@> wrote: >> > >> >> [...] >> >> dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, >> >> remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do >> >> with the real, what you refer to as "nature". >> >> >> > >> > >> > Oh really? Who do you think is doing the thinking then!? >> > >> >> The Buddha suggested "be a lamp onto yourself". > > > The Buddha could be wrong. Let's not forget this. > > > Ultimately, a lamp is a form of nature, just like a flower: they occur > in/through/as nature. > > Hence I suggest 'be nature'. > > > >> He didn't say, "be a wailing wall onto yourself" > > > Yet, maybe he was! > > > > > but >> taught the way to end suffering instead. > > > I think the issue of human beings is not to end suffering, but to > know/care for/protect ourself/ves, which is nature. > > Hence my major concern is not self/Self vs not-self (or impermanene vs > permanence, enlightenment/nirvana vs maya, spirituality vs > materialism, etc.), but natural vs unnatural. > > > Jeroen > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Yosy-boy, it's high time to get your feet on the ground! >> > >> >> Jeroen, had you been a behavioral scientist, you could have >> discovered the way to transform domesticated animals into >> their original, wild version within one generation, at least >> regarding self-sufficiency. When it works for hamsters, it >> might work for humans. >> >> Had you been a hermit in (the remains of) a rainforest you >> could have had an understanding for what Ramana called >> "the Self", why he even treated hornets with respect, and >> why the only option is to be the example you want to be >> followed. >> >> > >> > You have been MISLEAD and are MISLEADING others! There is no >> > ***Real***, ***That***, ***Consciousness*** or whatever other >> > magnificent ***Oneness*** apart from nature! So cut it out! >> > >> >> Had you done your homework, you would have experiential but >> incommunicable evidence of those terms and their inadequacy, >> at the same time. >> >> >> > It's all nature. Show yourself some respect please! >> > >> > >> > Jeroen >> > >> >> Showing respect to the sand in the Sahara won't restore the woods >> that once covered it, nor will it transform the sand into gold. >> Whatever compound structure is but a form of stardust, born from >> primal matter, hydrogen. >> >> Jan >> > > > > community blog is at > > http://.net/blog/ > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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