Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 "Listen, Rama! I shall now tell you the fundamental cause of salvation. Association with the wise is the root cause for obliterating all misery." >From Tripura Rahasya -- community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 , Harsha wrote: >"Listen, Rama! I shall now tell you the fundamental cause of salvation. Association with the wise is the root cause for obliterating all misery." >From Tripura Rahasya Good Evening, Brother – and to all, Deep Peace, and Enduring Joy! The above-quoted statement resonates to a certain extent, and many can attest to its validity based on their own personal experience with great beings. Consequently, it may seem strange of me to say that it is also nonsense, but what the hell -- all notions are up for grabs, so let's take a look at this one: First of all, come on . . . salvation (if there is even really anything existing to be saved beyond the bundle of memories and thoughts commonly construed as a self) could not be the result of any cause, otherwise it would simply be dependently originating, along with everything else, and thus a mere modification of consciousness. Who needs that? Haven't we had enough of those daydreams? Sure, Shiva and Shakti like to play. Let them! There is no self within them either. Nor is there in the fragrant Jasmine Garden any critter to be saved. There never was or will be. Now, That's being saved, if you ask me! As for the next part, obliterating all misery. . . Sheesh, who's not for that? Still, why not understand the root of misery first, before chasing after wise guys? It seems the truly wise only point you right back to your own mind, precisely where concepts like misery and salvation began. Maybe that's also why Buddha advised, "Be a lamp unto yourself." That said, I'll jump right up and praise with my whole joyous being the mysterious grace of the Supreme Lord, the Heart itself, for it has been without a shadow of a doubt my only true Guru, even as it appears in guises of both wise and ignorant! Moreover, everything is always expressing this very Love, in the infinite forms She wears to delight Him, for purposes beyond the ken of sages and fools, sinners or saved. In such Love, cause and effect are simultaneous -- recognition is liberation. In the objective world, it is rare and fortunate indeed to encounter the highest expression of wisdom in the form of a Jnani. Those graced to be miraculously drawn into an appreciation of the ineffable transmission of true Jnanis, such as Sri Ramana and Sri Nisargadatta, can attest to the following: "Association with jnanis leads one to liberation. Such association should therefore be cherished. Along with the practice of self- inquiry, such association is more potent than any other spiritual discipline. For, the benign glance the jnani bestows makes one at once pure. The jnani's real nature is the Heart itself. The Absolute. The ordinary man lives in the brain, unaware of himself in the Heart. The jnani lives in the Heart. When he (or she) moves about and deals with men and things, they know that what they see is not separate from the one supreme reality, the absolute, which they realize in the Heart as their own Self, the Real. The jnani sees no one as ignorant. All are only jnanis in their sight. In the state of wisdom the jnani sees nothing separate from the Self. The Self is all shining and only pure wisdom. For the jnani, the Self alone IS, and nothing else. By remaining in contact with jnanis, man gradually loses the ignorance until it is removed completely. The eternal Self is thus revealed. Realization is eternal and is not newly brought about by the jnani, who merely helps in the removal of ignorance. If the association with the jnani is obtained, to what purpose are the several methods of self-discipline?" ~Sri Ramana __/\__ LoveAlways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 thank you, my brother, for wording the wordless and truly serving, beloved oneheart, as a clear transparent window to the beyond... _()_ yosy , "Bob OHearn" <hrtbeat7 wrote: > > , > Harsha <harsha@> wrote: > > >"Listen, Rama! I shall now tell you the fundamental cause of > salvation. Association with the wise is the root cause for > obliterating all misery." > > From Tripura Rahasya > > > Good Evening, Brother – > and to all, Deep Peace, and Enduring Joy! > > The above-quoted statement resonates to a certain extent, and many > can attest to its validity based on their own personal experience > with great beings. Consequently, it may seem strange of me to say > that it is also nonsense, but what the hell -- all notions are up for > grabs, so let's take a look at this one: > > First of all, come on . . . salvation (if there is even really > anything existing to be saved beyond the bundle of memories and > thoughts commonly construed as a self) could not be the result of any > cause, otherwise it would simply be dependently originating, along > with everything else, and thus a mere modification of consciousness. > Who needs that? Haven't we had enough of those daydreams? Sure, Shiva > and Shakti like to play. Let them! There is no self within them > either. Nor is there in the fragrant Jasmine Garden any critter to be > saved. There never was or will be. Now, That's being saved, if you > ask me! > > As for the next part, obliterating all misery. . . Sheesh, who's not > for that? Still, why not understand the root of misery first, before > chasing after wise guys? It seems the truly wise only point you right > back to your own mind, precisely where concepts like misery and > salvation began. Maybe that's also why Buddha advised, "Be a lamp > unto yourself." > > That said, I'll jump right up and praise with my whole joyous being > the mysterious grace of the Supreme Lord, the Heart itself, for it > has been without a shadow of a doubt my only true Guru, even as it > appears in guises of both wise and ignorant! Moreover, everything is > always expressing this very Love, in the infinite forms She wears to > delight Him, for purposes beyond the ken of sages and fools, sinners > or saved. In such Love, cause and effect are simultaneous -- > recognition is liberation. > > In the objective world, it is rare and fortunate indeed to encounter > the highest expression of wisdom in the form of a Jnani. Those graced > to be miraculously drawn into an appreciation of the ineffable > transmission of true Jnanis, such as Sri Ramana and Sri Nisargadatta, > can attest to the following: > > "Association with jnanis leads one to liberation. Such association > should therefore be cherished. Along with the practice of self- > inquiry, such association is more potent than any other spiritual > discipline. For, the benign glance the jnani bestows makes one at > once pure. The jnani's real nature is the Heart itself. The Absolute. > The ordinary man lives in the brain, unaware of himself in the Heart. > The jnani lives in the Heart. When he (or she) moves about and deals > with men and things, they know that what they see is not separate > from the one supreme reality, the absolute, which they realize in the > Heart as their own Self, the Real. > The jnani sees no one as ignorant. All are only jnanis in their > sight. In the state of wisdom the jnani sees nothing separate from > the Self. The Self is all shining and only pure wisdom. > For the jnani, the Self alone IS, and nothing else. > By remaining in contact with jnanis, man gradually loses the > ignorance until it is removed completely. The eternal Self is thus > revealed. Realization is eternal and is not newly brought about by > the jnani, who merely helps in the removal of ignorance. > If the association with the jnani is obtained, to what purpose are > the several methods of self-discipline?" > > ~Sri Ramana > > > > __/\__ > > > LoveAlways > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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