Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 , ecirada <ecirada wrote: > > Jeroen wrote: > > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > >> [...] > >> dear jeroen, concepts and thinking, however sublime, > >> remain concepts and thinking, and have nothing to do > >> with the real, what you refer to as "nature". > >> > > > > > > Oh really? Who do you think is doing the thinking then!? > > > > The Buddha suggested "be a lamp onto yourself". The Buddha could be wrong. Let's not forget this. Ultimately, a lamp is a form of nature, just like a flower: they occur in/through/as nature. Hence I suggest 'be nature'. > He didn't say, "be a wailing wall onto yourself" Yet, maybe he was! but > taught the way to end suffering instead. I think the issue of human beings is not to end suffering, but to know/care for/protect ourself/ves, which is nature. Hence my major concern is not self/Self vs not-self (or impermanene vs permanence, enlightenment/nirvana vs maya, spirituality vs materialism, etc.), but natural vs unnatural. Jeroen > > > > > Yosy-boy, it's high time to get your feet on the ground! > > > > Jeroen, had you been a behavioral scientist, you could have > discovered the way to transform domesticated animals into > their original, wild version within one generation, at least > regarding self-sufficiency. When it works for hamsters, it > might work for humans. > > Had you been a hermit in (the remains of) a rainforest you > could have had an understanding for what Ramana called > "the Self", why he even treated hornets with respect, and > why the only option is to be the example you want to be > followed. > > > > > You have been MISLEAD and are MISLEADING others! There is no > > ***Real***, ***That***, ***Consciousness*** or whatever other > > magnificent ***Oneness*** apart from nature! So cut it out! > > > > Had you done your homework, you would have experiential but > incommunicable evidence of those terms and their inadequacy, > at the same time. > > > > It's all nature. Show yourself some respect please! > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > Showing respect to the sand in the Sahara won't restore the woods > that once covered it, nor will it transform the sand into gold. > Whatever compound structure is but a form of stardust, born from > primal matter, hydrogen. > > Jan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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