S/S?

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Maybe it's wrong from an enlightened viewpoint and thanks for pointing

that out. However, it isn't wrong from ignorance where slutty girls

are easy and give you herpes. I was only really meaning that with

the wife lower and higher nature are perfected just as with shakti,

instead of seeking the lower form of love which is lust. The only

reason one is higher and one is lower is because one leads to

eternity and one leads to mortality. Not meaning to offend anyone. I

guess I was being a bit flippant. Sorry

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nora55_1999

Friday, February 08, 2002 10:02 AM

Re: S/S?

Greetings eve_69.You remarked : "I love shakti for the exact same

reason I love my wife……. Just knowing she's there makes me calm and

then I can do higher things than just think about having sex with a

slut"Isnt it kinda of strange for you to say I love shakti and yet

later on you called another Shakti a slut? What ever the person is,

Idon't think so its right to call her as such. When Ramakrishna

encountered women brought by well wishers to make him taste the

pleasures of the flesh in order to divert his mind from what they

considered an unnatural obsession with the divine, he saw in them the

embodiment of the same purity which was there in his Mother.

Ramakrishna saw the divine mother in everyone incuding his wife.I

remember reading a book about Shiva and why he is special, and the

only one to be the consort of Devi. Once Devi appears before the

three of them ( Brahman, Vishnu and Shiva ) in one of her most

fierceful form. Brahman just turn his head, and Vishnu close his

eyes. Shiva look at Devi and smile. Another story tells of how the

Devi again appear before the three of them in yet another horrible

form, this time like a decompose corpse. And again Brahma turn his

head, Vishnu hide his face, but Shiva embrace Devi lovingly. What

makes Shiva so special is that he is aware of everything at all times

and he is almost never touched by Maya. He is able to see beyond all

Maya. This is what I am referring to when I said in the message

(Inconversation : the left handed path)of becoming Shiva. I do agree

with you that this argument about who is higher : Shakti or Shiva is

pointless. Its like the egg and the chicken debate. Ultimately they

are all the same and equal. Its how you approach the Divine, how are

you connected to Devi and your beliefs about HER divinity including

HER power and strength. OM ParaShaktiye NamahaTo from

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I don't want to start this topic because I love all women and feel

that socalled whores are actually victims of society except for them

that like their profession and chose it. However whores do exist so

I'm not wrong in using the analogy just as also black and white, and

male and female exist so also does a pure and a sullied woman and a

pure and perverted man. I'm just using opposites to express a

situation but I wouldn't defend my viewpoint from many women at once

because they would stone me. So have it your way. I have no problem

with profligate women, except I wouldn't marry one. Is that better?

I was only saying that you enlightened people may view women as the

divine instead of as flesh but us unenlightened people still see and

try to feel the flesh as well. With my analogy I meant that ones

attention flows towards the inner beauty or the outer. One who's

attention flows towards the inner finds always greater beauty but one

who's attention flows towards the flesh eventually loses the

enchantment because all physical beauty fades as does lust and so is

replaced by mortality.

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prainbow61

Friday, February 08, 2002 5:08 PM

Re: S/S?

Namaste, The problems with the dicotomy of sexual expectations for

women are worth discussing from a spiritual perspective, though this

may prove difficult as these issues are very emotional. For myself,

it seems that a system that divides women into mothers/wives and

whores serves only to remove power from all women and pit them

against each other in competition for negligible amounts of

privilege. It is a fact of public health that it is easier for a male

to transmit a sexually transmitted disease than a woman. I can't tell

you how many times I have seen men with wedding rings and baby car

seats in their cars cruising the prostitution district in my U.S.

city. I'm sure their wives don't know that they are now at health

risk because of their husband's behavior. I believe that it is the

responsiblility of those who took the vows to keep them. Those wives

were promised nothing by the women who work in the sex trade. They

were promised everything by the men who betray them. That situation

angers me. I am further angered by news reports of women being thrown

out of their homes when it is discovered that they have AIDS, even

when it is their husbands who gave that to them. I was deeply

troubled recently when a woman in Africa who sued for child support

ended up stoned to death as punishment for adultery under "Sharia"

laws. I do not see the benefit to women in general when we divide

them into 2 categories: good and bad. Even the "good" women suffer

from undue restriction and loss of power. This system seems designed

only to control women, not to appreciate them.I appreciate the

opportunity to share my views on this, and hope I have not offended

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