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"ONLY two kinds of people can attain

self-knowledge : those who are not encumbered at all with

learning, that is to say, whose minds are not over -

crowded with thoughts borrowed from others; and those

who, after studying all the scriptures and sciences,

have come to realise that they know nothing."

 

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Grantha (Book) always does not mean a Holy Scripture, but often it

comes to mean 'Granthi' or a knot. If a man does not read it

with an intense desire to know the Truth and

renouncing all the vanity, the mere reading of books only

gives rise to pedantry, presumptions, egoism, etc.,

which will be an encumbrance on his mind like so many

knots.

Para Vidya i.e. higher knowledge is that

by which we know God. All else, scriptures,

philosophy, logic, grammar, etc. only burden and puzzle the

mind. The Granthas (books) are sometimes Granthis

(knots). They are good only when they lead to the higher

knowledge.

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shri ramakrishna paramahamsa

 

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MEMBERS, does this mean we should abandon reading 'scriptures' and

books altigether ?

 

again, the floor is open for discussion on 'scholarship versus actual

sadhana"!

 

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thanks db for your timely response.

 

yes, how could a devotee of 'mataangi' not love books or all the

fine arts connected with this goddess of learning ? so, definitely,

i know that 'a man of intellect ' (thsat too a journalist and a

lawyer) like yourself would definitely use all resources at his

command to learn all about goddess and her worship via the medium of

books....

 

also, as our beloved collin has so eloquently pointed out 'trust the

primary sources rather than the secondary ones....'

 

but.... the whole point of all this intellectual gymnastics is once a

person is self-realized , there are no more 'sources' to consult for

the 'source' of divinity (goddess etc) is residing within the inner

chamber of the heart....

that is why the real jnanis after attaining brahma-jnana do not

practice any rituals or go on pilgrimages or do any of the external

forms of worship ... they are always in a state of 'nirvikalpa'

samadhi...

 

till we reach that point of realization, of course, we all need to do

whatever it takes to realize our goal.... 1)reading 2) doing japa 3)

performing austerities 4) going on pilgrimages 5) seeking

satsangati....... etc,....

 

this does not however mean we need to read every translation of

the 'bhagvat' gita or the 'devi mahatmiyam' ..... as you have rightly

mentioned 'choose' the one that suits your temperament and one that

is authentic and reliable....

 

i am reminded of a 'zen' humor in this context...

 

A student came to the Zen Librarian and said, "I need to see an

article in a journal that you do not carry. Can you order it for me?"

The Zen Librarian said, "You have not seen the article?No", the

student said. "Then you don't need it," the Zen Librarian replied.

 

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-- In , Devi bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> Hi Adi:

>

> In discussing the relative merits of spiritual

> book-knowledge and experiential-knowledge, you asked:

> "does this mean we should abandon reading 'scriptures'

> and books altigether?"

>

> Well, I hope I don't come off like a one-trick pony,

> but my answer would be the same as it was for the

> "Devi Mahatmyam" translation debate: It depends on the

> devotee.

>

> One person might find that lots of scripture and

> theology have a bhakti-inducing effect on the mind

> (I'd include myself in this category). I feel things

> falling into place, understandings and beliefs being

> confirmed and strengthened. It becomes a part of me.

>

> When I sit down to meditate, my mind is not

> "over-crowded with thoughts borrowed from others"

> (obviously not the words of a bibliophile!) -- it is

> clear and relaxed. Reading and meditation are two

> seperate experiences, each of which can enhance the

> other.

>

> For me. For other sorts of persons, all of those words

> might be a bunch a noise, radio static that merely

> distracts them from direct experience of the Divine.

> That's OK too, Goddess made all of us different, and

> if a certain approach to Her doesn't work -- well, why

> waste time pursuing it? Follow a method that *does*

> work.

>

> Ramakrishna speaks of "those who, after studying all

> the scriptures and sciences, have come to realise that

> they know nothing." Well, it's long been said, in many

> cultures, that the wisest persons are distinguished by

> their awareness that they are not so wise. Honest

> study is almost invariably a humbling experience.

>

> But gain, it's a choice: If book knowledge makes one

> prideful -- or if it jumbles or inflames the mind --

> then it is dangerous to spiritual advancement. If it

> enhances devotion and inner peace, it is a boon.

>

> Aum Maatangyai Namahe

>

>

>

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Ramakrishna speaks of "those who, after studying all

the scriptures and sciences, have come to realise that

they know nothing." Well, it's long been said, in many

cultures, that the wisest persons are distinguished by

their awareness that they are not so wise. Honest

study is almost invariably a humbling experience.

 

 

How Beautiful - How Truely Beautiful

 

WE DO WHAT WE DO

 

What you are doing IS the perfect path for you. What you believe is

the perfect belief for you.

 

Each person is right where they should be.

 

Love baba

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